3-betting light, the fish and you

[bilbo-san]

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RRing AQ != RRing light.

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In this spot, I disagree. This is a very marginal hand here.

[aislephive]

Reraising fish light is verrrrrrry +EV, they get tilty and will often donate with weak hands. Also they love calling reraises and folding to flop bets, PLUS they call with very weak dominated hands so doing it with a hand that is a favorite over their range is a solid play.

OP, the AQ reraise there is pretty standard. Maybe a tad light since you're opening UTG, but it's not out of line unless you're UTG raising range is like AQ+, TT+.

[carnivalhobo]

how the hell is it a bluff if the fish is calling with a ton of hands, and the tag is likely folding all but the best? You get to play a big pot with a fish, with the lead and the best hand. Now maybe he is bad postflop, but repoping AQ here is good IMO

[JackAll]

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RRing AQ != RRing light.

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In this spot, I disagree. This is a very marginal hand here.

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I disagree with your disagreement.

[Dan Bitel]

bilbo,

3betting light vs fish is indeed a bad idea. But here:

1) you have AQ, and its for value vs fish and can get TAG to fold a better hand, so its fine.

2) fish is the caller, not the raiser, I find they fold more when they didnt raise themselves

[deucedeuce00]

Perhaps 3-betting wasn't the problem in this hand, it was the double barrel bluff vs. a calling station that was bad.

[bilbo-san]

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Perhaps 3-betting wasn't the problem in this hand, it was the double barrel bluff vs. a calling station that was bad.

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It's the combination of the two.

If you don't play well in re-raised pots, you shouldn't 3-bet that much.

In this spot, where the fish is going to call the flop with any pair, I think re-raising is very bad. The fish hadn't shown any tendencies whatsoever to either fold preflop or fold the flop to CBs (he had been in several spots where he took a small pair to the river).

I fail to see how stacking off with A-high against that player is a +EV move. While it's true this player is capable of stacking off with AJ here, it just isn't a big part of his range.

[Jocke_F]

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bilbo,

3betting light vs fish is indeed a bad idea. But here:

1) you have AQ, and its for value vs fish and can get TAG to fold a better hand, so its fine.

2) fish is the caller, not the raiser, I find they fold more when they didnt raise themselves

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what better hand is he folding?

[Dan Bitel]

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bilbo,

3betting light vs fish is indeed a bad idea. But here:

1) you have AQ, and its for value vs fish and can get TAG to fold a better hand, so its fine.

2) fish is the caller, not the raiser, I find they fold more when they didnt raise themselves

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what better hand is he folding?

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PP's for a start, plus hands with good equity vs you, plus we build up FE for the flop where he folds AK and loads of PPs

[bilbo-san]

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bilbo,

3betting light vs fish is indeed a bad idea. But here:

1) you have AQ, and its for value vs fish and can get TAG to fold a better hand, so its fine.

2) fish is the caller, not the raiser, I find they fold more when they didnt raise themselves

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what better hand is he folding?

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PP's for a start, plus hands with good equity vs you, plus we build up FE for the flop where he folds AK and loads of PPs

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I 4-bet with AK preflop nearly always against someone I suspect is 3-betting light, ESPECIALLY with the fish in the hand. I suspect I push AK fairly often.

Any PP I call with is one that I am looking to showdown with. It's true he'll get me to fold small PPs, but he also gets me to fold worse Aces, which is terrible for him, because I am very unlikely to CB the 3-way pot unimproved (since the calling station is involved), so he really wants us both to see a flop if I have something like A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].