I dont know how to play mid pairs

[Kilillan]

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You do realize that TT is flipping a coin against AJ right? Granted not on the flop, but by the river it's a coin flip.

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srssly?

gotta write that down

Yes, any action you get from AJ will be when you're beat, but it'd be very hard to lose a stack on an ace high board as well.

And I understand your point DB, but I'm not entirely sure what you mean by not winning a big pot with TT unimproved at Nl200. I can dig in pokertracker and find some NL200 hands where I won big pots with 99/TT unimproved

and I agree with what bilbo said

[Dan Bitel]

Kilillan,

I guess this discussion has just about run its cource now. But just to clarify, I've won a lot of big pots with 99/TT UI, but just not in rr pots. I'm sure you HAVE won a lot of big pots with TT/99 UI in rr pots, but thats just what I mean by overall styles and the more LAGy your play the more and more I like rr TT for value and if you play very TAG, the more I like just calling

[Aspiring]

So I just started reading 2+2, and I find it very interesting thus far. I'm slowly working my way through all of the digests before I consider posting in high volume. However, this thread sucked a comment out because it is very relevant to something Harrington wrote about in his first volume.

Even if the PFRR with TT OOP turns the hand into a bluff, it still is substantially different than bluffing with 23o or anything else for two reasons:

1. (the point Harrington makes) you build bluffs into your preflop raising strategy, so that the cards randomize your bluffs for you. Even if a cbet is just a bluff after PFRR is called preflop (a very dubious claim in my book), you are randomizing your bluffs by the percentage of times that you get TT.
2. (the point that 2Paul2 makes) TT can win in some showdowns. Even if the situations that TT wins in a showdown after an OOP PFRR are very rare, they still give TT the edge over 23o as a good hand to randomize on.

Now, I don't really buy the bluff logic, for reasons that have mostly already been stated. But even if you do believe that PFRR with TT turns it into a bluff, playing it this way is a great way to disguise your bigger hands. The merit of the OOP PFRR, then, shouldn't be evaluated just for this hand alone but also for what it adds to your overall style.