Suited connectors out of position

[tubasteve]

Think of the whole 4xbb vs 3xbb thing this way:

By putting in one more BB preflop the pot is 2bb bigger on the flop.

Now youre betting 2bb more with a PSB than you would have, so when he calls you are getting in 4 extra BBs than you would have.

Then on the turn, you pot again and get in 8 extra BBs.

By the river, you can 3/4 pot or full pot and get in around 12-16 more bb on average.

So by using 4x instead of 3x, when you flop a monster and get looked up you win much bigger pots on average.

[friscopabs]

But at the same time, doesn't putting in the extra BB, commit more of your money whan you have less information? For example, say I decide to raise from late position with a speculative hand like 89s. I raise 4BB, and get a call from one of the blinds. I now know that I am most likely behind, but unless I have a really good read I still have him on a wide range of hands. I have now put 4BB into the pot, but am still without a great deal of information.

Say on the other hand that I raised 3BB instead of 4. Sure, the opponent has a slightly larger range of hands, yet it is still almost certain that I am behind at this point. Furthermore, if my opponent has a big hand (1010+, AQ+) he is more likely to put in a reraise, because with a hand like that, he wants either a big pot, or, at least not to have to play the hand through out of position.
Now lets say the opponent just calls with my 3BB raise. As I mentioned before, with 95% of opponents I will put them on a wide range of hands, but still, one that probably beats me right now.

I guess my point is that regardless of whether I put in 3BB or 4BB, I am seeing the flop with a very limited amount of information, and that I wont be able to begin to know what he has until after the flop. Putting in 3BB as opposed to 4BB allows MY range to be greater which gives my opponent less information.

I hope this makes sense, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[friscopabs]

bump?

[Big Poppa Smurf]

dude your range can be exactly the same with 3bb or 4bb raises

[Antinome]

I think you have to be a better hand reader than any of us at this level are to make the game you are taking about work well. Not saying it won't work, but....

... any of us can win big in the micros or small stakes with simple tight play with well sized bets thanks to the geometric effect described by Tuba.