Folding pocket rockets pf

[doh742]

ok, ran some numbers on poker stove, to give an idea of rather this was good or bad.

set up a five handed sim. Ac Ad, Kd Kh, Js 10s, Qc Jc, Ah, Ks

now, poker stove and my comp don't agree, it makes my comp sound like it wants to explode, so i cut the sim short, but, the early results were as followes

aces: 58% equity

kings: 7% equity

jack 10: 15%

q jack: 10%

ace king: 3%

seeing as how you will win or tie with this hand in more than one out of every 2 hands, and you were getting at least 3 to 1 odds, you should have called. but, if your overall bankroll was short, you might not want to put a large chunk of it in play, because 42% of the time, you lose, and your bankroll is crippled.

so, i don't know, but there are some numbers for you in a hypothetical situation

in a run against four random hands, your equity drops to 54%

so, you were close to flipping a coin for most of your stack, the odds say yes, the key factor is, could your bankroll have handled a loss, if yes, then you made a really bad play there, if no, its weak, but understandable.

[doh742]

also, people on this board always seem to think everyone has limitless resources to go play again after they take a bad beat. most people don't, and one bad beat can be the end of someone's poker playing until the next payday.

[gaash]

No your play was very very wrong.

[gaash]

The classic example is where a tournament pays 1 million for first, 900k for second and 0 for third. You have 1 chip your opponents each have exactly 10000 chips. You get aces, one of them goes all in and the other calls. Here, you should fold.

[HoldemPokerPlyr]

Okay, but to be realistic, when will that happen?
a)First you have to be in a tournament that pays that.
b)You have to have exactly one chip left.
c)Each of your opponents have to have exactly the same amount of chips.
d)You'd have to have two stupid enough opponents to do something like that.

I think I have a better chance of finding Usama Bin Laden.

-HoldemPokerPlyr

[Cowboy21]

Jeez.. Can this thread go away? PLEASE?

JJ

[gaash]

That was an exagerrated example so the numbers obviously work. Im sure even in a normal tournament if you are a serious short stack and two people with about equal stacks go head to head with each otehr you should fold pocket aces

[tom10167]

True story.
Foxwoods $5/$5 no limit.
A guy comes to the table with $1000(minimum is $500, no cap, most bring $5k or more,big stack usually has 20k+)
and after ten hours or so builds his stack up to over 8k.
His wife walks by and says "We're going to leave in 15 minutes or so." and he says ok. A few hands later someone makes it $25, and he makes it $100 fold back to raiser, who makes it $500, the guy goes $1000 and the other guy immediately says all in, he has him covered.
After about five minutes(which is a LONG time) of deliberation, he turns over pocket aces and says "It's just not worth it." and folds.

To illustrate how stupid people are, there is much debate over whether or not this is a good play. Mostly from middle aged men who play their hands according to what the flop has been coming up.

[uuur]

your play is absolutely not correct.. in the long term if your chance of win is the best one whtever it takes u should call

[norgule]

I think the problem is too obvious for most people to bother to mention.
The only way you fold in a cash game is if you suddenly realize your outside your bankroll and immediately upon folding you take your chips and either go to a game where you have at least 20 times the buy in amount in your bankroll or go home and wait until you do.
In a tournament , the only time you fold is if the difference between what you win if you win the hand, and what you win if you lose the hand is greater than ten to one, and the difference between what you win if you win and what you win if you fold and finish in the exact position your in now is less than 1.5 to one.Even then,chances are your just outside your bankroll.
Dont listen to vicious people. Dont quit , drop down to a comfortable bankroll where you know you would never fold this hand, and keep learning