"Official" nrog guy/org thread

[BluffTHIS!]

Josh,

Again the questions, similar to those asked of the PPA prez, are valid ones, as is the desire to keep such discussions in one thread instead of them sidetracking others.

So far, this guy is just a "You heard it here first! and we're working behind the scenes to defeat this!" n00b account, with no indication he should be given any credence, or that he isn't just racing to give info here gleaned from other news sources before someone else does with no true insider knowledge. So yes I am skeptical, but there is nothing wrong with that, and I am open to changing my view to a positive one if he seriously answers the valid questions I and others have asked.

I am just as fearful of the legistlation passing as you and others, but that doesn't mean I am just going to accept any new poster's assertions at face value without some kind of sourcing or credentials.

[Josh.]

so you could've asked him to verify himself rather than ask him a bunch of questions he won't answer regardless of who he is, questions that will do nothing but push him closer to not posting here. even if he gets ahead of himself sometimes, he's still on the same team as us

[BluffTHIS!]

Josh,

His answers to those questions go a long way to verifying his credibility. There is no way they can't be answered for fear of compromising any true ability to act, as I specifically noted I didn't expect him to give people's actual names, or those of who is providing any funds he is using. And since as was demonstrated regarding the PPA guy, lobbying disclosure laws require certain info regarding same to be made publicly availabe if one knows where to search. So no breach of confidentiality there either.

[ZBTHorton]

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so you could've asked him to verify himself rather than ask him a bunch of questions he won't answer regardless of who he is, questions that will do nothing but push him closer to not posting here. even if he gets ahead of himself sometimes, he's still on the same team as us

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[BluffTHIS!]

ZB et al:

Those questions are asking him to verify himself. As I said, there is no real reason they can't be answered.

[kickabuck]

1)interesting question, should an answer one way or the other affect one's relationship with his organization? If so, how so and why?
2)Seems like a reasonable request. What is the downside to revealing the lobbying firm?
3)Less important I would think, his information will prove to be accurate or not in due time, although I don't necessarily see a reason to not answer this question.

[yukoncpa]

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I am just as fearful of the legistlation passing as you and others, but that doesn't mean I am just going to accept any new poster's assertions at face value without some kind of sourcing or credentials.



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I’m very fearful of this legislation being passed. Why do you need sourcing or credentials? Either he is doing some positive or not. If he is indeed doing good, why humiliate him and possibly create the situation where he doesn’t care as much and won’t try as hard. If he isn’t doing any good, who cares? Again, why bother humiliating him?

[BluffTHIS!]

yukon,

I am in no way humiliating him. I am just asking valid questions. Note that his only contributions so far is posting supposedly insider news supposedly obtained from lobbying contacts, when it can be fairly argued he just cribbed that news from other news sources. Also the fact that he didn't come on the scene here until the last moment is significant as well. Whatever criticisms can be leveled at the PPA, they have been around a while. And since we in fact have a couple insiders here, as well as posters with access to daily/weekly congressional news, I just haven't seen anything different provided by him. Again, some honest answers to the questions I asked could go a long way to changing the views of many of us who are skeptics. With all the scams on the net involving asking for either voluntary donations or email and contact info, being skeptical but open-minded should be the attitude of an intelligent poker player.

[yukoncpa]

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yukon,

I am in no way humiliating him. I am just asking valid questions. Note that his only contributions so far is posting supposedly insider news supposedly obtained from lobbying contacts, when it can be fairly argued he just cribbed that news from other news sources. Also the fact that he has come on the scene here until the last moment is significant as well. Whatever criticisms can be leveled at the PPA, they have been around a while. And since we in fact have a couple insiders here, as well as posters with access to daily/weekly congressional news, I just haven't seen anything different provided by him. Again, some honest answers to the questions I asked could go a long way to changing the views of many of us who are skeptics. With all the scams on the net involving asking for either voluntary donations or email and contact info, being skeptical but open-minded should be the attitude of an intelligent poker player.



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Ok, fair enough Bluffthis!, I respect all of your strategy posts and SMP posts. I re-read your op and it sounds ok, I guess I was just set off because it seems like a new poster has shown up on the scene and given us some hope. I would like to continue hearing what Jay has to say without the regulars here chasing him away and giving him grief without hearing him out.

[satya]

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I guess I was just set off because it seems like a new poster has shown up on the scene and given us some hope.

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Therein (for me) lies the problem. This guy shows up here and at other forums at the last possible minute acting like he's done so much and been at this for months.

The website domains weren't even registered until mid/late July - Even though they've been planning this for months? Great planning.

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Our original strategic plan was created months before this latest attempt by Frist and was meant for launch later this year. When all this action started we used our own money and resources to get something up quick to try and stop the attempts. Our .org website is still a couple weeks away from getting online and we have several infrastructure issues we need to get done but we are out here and we are trying.

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Uhm how much later this year exactly? After it passed the Senate? Excuse me but all this "action" started a long long time ago. That's when action was needed. That's when people needed to be involved. That's when donations would have been helpful. What good does waiting until the legislation passes the house with flying colors and is already in the Senate when it can be attached to the DoD bill do? This is your strategic plan you've been working on for months? Wait until late September? Well, I guess I could say, sounds like a plan.

And why's the .org site not working? It's hosted on the same machine as the .COM site. What "infrastructure" issues?

BTW NROG in what state was NROG incorporated and when were you issued 501c status and under what name? NROG, Save Online Gaming and National Right for Online Gaming aren't found in the IRS 501c online database.

And FWIW, perhaps not much, but the saveonlinegamine.com and nrog.org sites were both registered by a Jason Bailey @ skyycorp. The skyycorp.com domain was registered by the same @ truemediamarketing.com. Read that again. True Media MARKETING.

Marketing = Sales people. Coincidence that NROG comes here and sells the majority on the idea that they are actually spending all those donations on the things they recommend they be spent on?

As of 30 days ago NROG had exactly 0 donors via Pay Pal.
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The PayPal account wasn't even set up until July 27th! Yet in his original post here he thanked the thousands who had joined and for all the donations. Thousands? Well, they've got 1 poster in their forums so I guess that 1 could represent thousands. Right?

And how is it that someone so invested in online gaming and this legislation had not even heard of 2+2 until a few days ago??

NROG comes here, out of nowhere at the last possible minute when people are in a frenzy, wanting to (finally) actually do something, gives a sales pitch, making it sound like NROG's been working in DC all along. At the same time we now see this at the saveonlinegaming.COM site:

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We will soon be introducing detailed membership rewards. This will include a donation match of up to 100% into particpating partner poker rooms. We expect this rollout in the next two weeks and ALL rewards will be retroactive so donate TODAY. Thank You!

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If you don't know how affiliate agreements work read up on 'em.

We all love NROG - they do so much. They come here and confirm things that seem to come off an RSS feed. They're on our side. Let's give 'em money!! Money for what? Just because they have a strategic plan posted on their website doesn't mean they are actually doing anything (besides spamming forums). In fact it states in the plan that it is their "recommendation." That's it. Just a recommendation.

Apparently implementing the plan will cost 2M. Yet, the nrog.org and saveonlinegaming domains weren't even registered until mid/late July. PayPal wasn't set up until July 27. According to the plan which is supposed to be implemented over the course of 2 months, that would leave (at best) 1.5 months to raise 2M (by Sept. 5th(?) when the Senate reconvened). WTF? You need to raise 2M in 1.5 months but you don't even hear about 2+2 until Sept 20. Great work. Experts you are. Really.

NROG may have the best intentions but it is obvious (to some of us anyway) that they are clueless. At this point, you'd get more for you money if you sent it to any anti-gambling Congressperson's opponent.

PPA may or may not be doing much but what they certainly didn't do is appear out of nowhere at the last possible (too late) minute claiming to be some grassroots/lobbying group with top secret inside contacts who've been at this for months.

For those who buy this on nothing more than some random poster's say so? I got some quads I wanna sell your boat.

NROG comes here, "releases" already reported information and people attribute any success to NROG. What if it were PPA who was first in to "release" said information? Via sales tactics they get people to believe they've actually done something, people love them, people donate money. Simple.

And what's NROG to do with the money at this late date when this thing could very well be law by the end of the week? Use it to fund the donation matching at established poker room accounts? Oh or do I have to be a new account in order to qualify for donation matching?