($22 Stars) 2 hands; Are these pushes?

[Mike MacIntosh]

Without a read, would you push in these spots? Please explain why or why not.

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UTG (t2630)
UTG+1 (t1485)
CO (t1280)
Hero (t935)
SB (t4490)
BB (t2680)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Hero ???

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Hero (t975)
Button (t1625)
SB (t2480)
BB (t8420)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="red">Hero ???

[RobAU]

No.

Yes.

[Jekyll]

The first I would fold. Many will assume a steal here (which it is), and could easily call with most Aces, good Kings, and most PP. You don't have enough chips to put a real scare into them, so they probably won't second guess their reads. You're not quite desperate yet, and you can see a few more hands. I would wait.

As for the second, I would go ahead and push here. The blinds are higher, and coming around more often, with you dropping 150 on the BB next hand. You're the shortie, so if you don't move, they're going to let you blind out. I'm not particularly looking to get called obviously, but not overly afraid of one, either.

[Mike MacIntosh]

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No.

Yes.

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Why?

[Mike MacIntosh]

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The first I would fold. Many will assume a steal here (which it is), and could easily call with most Aces, good Kings, and most PP. You don't have enough chips to put a real scare into them, so they probably won't second guess their reads. You're not quite desperate yet, and you can see a few more hands. I would wait.

As for the second, I would go ahead and push here. The blinds are higher, and coming around more often, with you dropping 150 on the BB next hand. You're the shortie, so if you don't move, they're going to let you blind out. I'm not particularly looking to get called obviously, but not overly afraid of one, either.

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This is exactly how I felt about these two hands.

[DMA]

1st one is terrible.

[Mike MacIntosh]

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1st one is terrible.

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Can you explain why you think this?

[AMT]

1st one is read dependent. if theyre calling too lose you have to fold, youre still in good shape...if theyre tight id shove K high here


hand 2 is meh but id probably shove in game out of desperation

[RobAU]

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No.

Yes.

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Why?

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K7o - it is a crap hand, you also have some time. Not only that, it would look like a steal. You don't want a call here, might as well fold. Look for a better spot.

KJo - As said, you are going to be blinded out. That said, this hand is worthy of a push in these circumstances. You don't want a call but in most circumstances if you get called, you won't be in bad shape.

[ymu]

First one you're pushing into two big stacks who can afford to call pretty loose and will put you on a fairly wide range. You still have 10BB (or very nearly) and can afford to wait for a better spot.

Second one, you have a much better hand and the blinds are about to take a quarter of your stack. Neither of the other two short stacks are likely to call without a premium hand. You will almost certainly get called by the big stack, but your hand does reasonably well against a random hand. If you fold and don't find a hand in the blinds you won't have any FE against anyone. Push.