A lesson in kickers

[jay_shark]

It's practical in a sense that it gives you a good estimate to what hands you should be raising with preflop .

For instance , 10-9 on average is better than a random hand , so this is a type of hand that is at least worth a raise preflop . Many players tend to become overly aggressive when on the button and they raise with any two cards which I don't believe to be optimal strategy .

It is a rough calculation to the kinds of hands that one should be aggressive with on the button .

Nicho , btw i'm no rookie when it comes to heads up :P

I belong to the pocket fives community and decided to share some of my thoughts on here .

[Paxosmotic]

A2, a hand with a value of 16 in your system, is monumentally stronger than KQ, a hand with a value of 25. Defend.

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A2, a hand with a value of 16 in your system, is monumentally stronger than KQ, a hand with a value of 25. Defend.

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I didn't really read his post so i'm not going to defend his "system" but to say that A2 is monumentally stronger than KQ is wrong.

[Paxosmotic]

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A2, a hand with a value of 16 in your system, is monumentally stronger than KQ, a hand with a value of 25. Defend.

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I didn't really read his post so i'm not going to defend his "system" but to say that A2 is monumentally stronger than KQ is wrong.

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438,349,824 games 0.579 secs 757,080,870 games/sec

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 57.5450 % 57.28% 00.27% { A2s, A2o }
Hand 2: 42.4550 % 42.19% 00.27% { KQs, KQo }

[jay_shark]

Well if you're talking about hot and cold comparisons , then yes , A2 will win slightly more often than king queen . However , lets not fool ourselves here , we all know that in heads up , you'll make more money with king queen than you will with ace 2 .

The problem with most players is that they use pokerstove too often . It's not about certain percentages that matter ,it's about which hands will earn more money in the long run .

[Dromar]

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The problem with most players is that they use pokerstove too often.

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In my experience, the opposite is true.

[omgwtfnoway]

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The problem with most players is that they use pokerstove too often . It's not about certain percentages that matter ,it's about which hands will earn more money in the long run .

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how much time did you spend working out this median?
"certain percentages" help you closely estimate which hands will earn money in the long run.

you cite T9 as a better than average hand according to your ranking system and advocate raising it preflop. since when has a T been a good kicker, even headsup? if you hit the flop with that hand, what's your most likely hand? 2nd pair, maybe a weak top pair, if you get played with can you be any more confident of your hand then if you had A2 and spiked top pair? i think not.

[jay_shark]

I never said it was a good kicker . I'm just stating the obvious . 10-9 is better than a random hand preflop , so if you have position with this hand , you should raise it up .

Btw , if you're playing in a raised pot preflop , you can't be that confident in your A 2 when an ace flops . I'm sure you already know this .

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A2, a hand with a value of 16 in your system, is monumentally stronger than KQ, a hand with a value of 25. Defend.

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I didn't really read his post so i'm not going to defend his "system" but to say that A2 is monumentally stronger than KQ is wrong.

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It's custom to read a thread you're going to take part in.

438,349,824 games 0.579 secs 757,080,870 games/sec

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 57.5450 % 57.28% 00.27% { A2s, A2o }
Hand 2: 42.4550 % 42.19% 00.27% { KQs, KQo }

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um 5% doesn't constitute monumental to me.

[jay_shark]

Paxo , your argument is flawed .

Poker stove gives pocket deuces an edge over ace king , but we both know which hand you'd rather have in heads up play .


Bottom line is that kickers are so important in any type of poker game and you should be thinking along these lines when you're deciding which hand is more profitable .