I set a new record at my B&M (Wrong Forum?)

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Please stop spending your poker winnings on gifts for your wife, your don't ask her to give it all back when you lose do you?

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Listen to everything TT says except the above quote. He is single and …well he is single. (He doesn’t understand the what’s yours is ours, what’s mine is mine rule that one doesn’t learn until after one marries.) Other than that, I would trust his judgment. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Buy her gifts, just not from winnings. Buy her gifts from the bankroll through periodic withdrawals. Think of your bankroll as a savings account.

PS: Single guys gotta spend more to get some play... at least you married guys got action built into the deal, even if you don't get any at least its the thought that counts!

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[MicroBob]

If I get no action it's the thought of action that counts?

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If I get no action it's the thought of action that counts?

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It was your choice to get married, don't come crying to me after the fact [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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[Kaeser]

I'm not really sure I agree with TT about the whole bankroll issue. I don't understand how this would affect the win/loss rate of a recreational player.

Take my situation for example. After the bills are paid my wife and I split our money. I have about 500 a week to spend as I choose. I play 1-2 sessions of 3-6 a week since that's the only limit offered in my area.

Now why would it make a difference if I was going in with 200 of my $3000 bankroll rather then just 200 that I can afford to lose.

In the same way what does it matter if I spend my winnings from a night on books?

Obviously when you play like this it's more important to keep accurate records of your wins/losses to see if your a winning player. Other then that though I don't see what difference having 300BB's on hand really makes.

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Now why would it make a difference if I was going in with 200 of my $3000 bankroll rather then just 200 that I can afford to lose.


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If you can't afford to lose all $3000 then your bankroll is not $3000.

You lose money by taking only $200 (or $500 in the case of OP) because the games in which you are likely to burn through that much money in a short period of time are your most profitable games. You will be in action with your $500 in a crappy rock garden of a game all day, while when you are in an ultra profitable loose game you may go BUSTO and be out of action, unable to part the idiots from their money.

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so you lost 25 BB's in 2-3 hours?
That isn't much of a record.

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i've done that in 3 orbits.

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I've lost that in one hand.

GoT

[Kaeser]

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Now why would it make a difference if I was going in with 200 of my $3000 bankroll rather then just 200 that I can afford to lose.


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If you can't afford to lose all $3000 then your bankroll is not $3000.

You lose money by taking only $200 (or $500 in the case of OP) because the games in which you are likely to burn through that much money in a short period of time are your most profitable games. You will be in action with your $500 in a crappy rock garden of a game all day, while when you are in an ultra profitable loose game you may go BUSTO and be out of action, unable to part the idiots from their money.

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Well I have to admit that having to leave after losing 25BB might cost you some value if the game is particularly juicy. At the same time there's always a juicy game somewhere. As recreational players you have the freedom to look at a huge fishpond of a table and say "eh, I'd rather go watch a movie".

While this may cause you to win less then you could I doubt it costs you so much in potential profit as to turn a winning player into a losing player.

[steamboatin]

I have to think about this thread a little more but I am pretty sure that I am going to respectfully disagree.

I will concede that leaving a soft game after losing 25 Big Bets is a mistake from a poker perspective (I have already conceded that point earlier in this thread) but I am not certain it is a very big mistake from a life perspective.

If I was single and poker was all there was in the world then the mistake would be big by comparison. The really big mistake would be to play poker in a such a manner that the MRS becomes concerned or gets jealous of poker. Don't laugh about a wife getting jealous of an activity, they get jealous of sports on TV, they get jealous of golf, NASCAR, you name it, if I guy likes it, a woman is jealous of it.

I think it is important the the MRS understands that I am not going to lose so much in a evening that it impacts our standard of living. She would not understand and I would never get her to understand why after losing $500 putting another $500 in the game was a good idea. If the MRS ever gets scared that I might lose too much or gamble away the house, then home life around the Steamboatin household will deteriorate and that is the real -EV move.

Those same goofy guys that are willing to play 72o in middle posistion or call a raise with 64o from the big blind and chase runner runner draws will still be there next Friday. They are always there, I know most of them by name.

Allowing the MRS to beome overly concerned or damaging my relationship with her just to chase a few extra dollars of EV would be incredibly stupid.

There is one thing about 2+2 in general that I have never understood. If someone makes a post about a winning session, everyone says that the results of an individual session don't matter but if someone posts about one losing session, he is a donkey and sucks at poker. If it is supposed to be all one big game than an individual losing session shouldn't have any more impact on your win rate than an individual winning session.

The main reason I am not concerned about leaving this soft game is, because it is always soft. One poster said, I might have to grind for a long time before I found another game this soft. No, I just have to show up next Friday, the same guys will be playing the same way and the game will be just as swingy as it always is.

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I think it is important the the MRS understands that I am not going to lose so much in a evening that it impacts our standard of living. She would not understand and I would never get her to understand why after losing $500 putting another $500 in the game was a good idea.

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So you don't have a separate poker bankroll?

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I think it is important the the MRS understands that I am not going to lose so much in a evening that it impacts our standard of living. She would not understand and I would never get her to understand why after losing $500 putting another $500 in the game was a good idea.

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So you don't have a separate poker bankroll?

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I am 99.9999999% sure Steam doesn't have a separate bankroll, and I am at least 60% sure steam doesn't track his winnings and losses. His last response shows that he still doesn't get it, he is viewing the world from the wrong side of the glass, what else can we do/say to help him see the light?

Steam - do yourself a favor and give yourself a dedicated amount to start a bankroll and only play from within this bankroll. All winnings remain inside the bankroll so it can continue to grow. Since you were talking in the range of $500 I think its best that we start small and cross our fingers that you run good, put $3,000 aside as your dedicated poker money. This way if you lose a session your wife has nothing to complain about, it will never impact your standard of living. Conversely when you have a winning session she can be safe and secure in knowing that you have added padding to your roll so the next time you have a losing session it still won't affect your standard of living.

PS: It looks like everyone in this thread is on your side, we are all trying to help.

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