[censored] tipping dealers

[Jeffage]

I agree, I won a $1300 pot the other day and tipped $1. The dealers said thanks and didn't seem pissed at all. Sometimes I'll tip $2 for a huge pot...I doubt dealers expect $5 a hand.

Basically, if you totally stiff dealers and others follow suit, don't complain when all the good dealers bolt and you are stuck with a bunch of tards who could care less about doing a professional job.

Jeff

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I agree, I won a $1300 pot the other day and tipped $1. The dealers said thanks and didn't seem pissed at all. Sometimes I'll tip $2 for a huge pot...I doubt dealers expect $5 a hand.

Basically, if you totally stiff dealers and others follow suit, don't complain when all the good dealers bolt and you are stuck with a bunch of tards who could care less about doing a professional job.

Jeff

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Ok, a logical reason. Jeff fears that he won't have a dealer that acts professional if no one tips them.

However, this would never be the case. Casinos/cardrooms always want their dealers to act professional/be the best they can be.

There isn't going to be a shortage of dealers who don't act like total dumbasses. Face it, they aren't going anywhere.

I can't believe you forgot! Being in a casino is exciting!!!

....and this is exactly why being a dealer in a casino will always be a sought after position.

[Jeffage]

Ok, this is my last post on this thread - I have some work to do. But use your brain for a second. A job where someone can make 40k-60k a year will attract many more hardworking people than one that pays $7 an hour with no tips. In the latter scenario, you get a bunch of people who put in the minimum effort, don't care about making errors, screw around in the box. In the former scenario, where hard work is well compensated, you get people motivated to perform well. The slackers starve. Catch my drift? When I'm playing for money that's significant to me, I want a competant dealer and am willing to pay for it.

Good Luck,
Jeff

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Ok, this is my last post on this thread - I have some work to do. But use your brain for a second. A job where someone can make 40k-60k a year will attract many more hardworking people than one that pays $7 an hour with no tips. In the latter scenario, you get a bunch of people who put in the minimum effort, don't care about making errors, screw around in the box. In the former scenario, where hard work is well compensated, you get people motivated to perform well. The slackers starve. Catch my drift? When I'm playing for money that's significant to me, I want a competant dealer and am willing to pay for it.

Good Luck,
Jeff

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Jeff,

Thank you for your thoughtful response.

I caught your drift, im right with you and fully understand what your saying.

But I think that there wouldn't be a shortage of competent dealers if tips were abolished.

The dealer position would be highly desired even without tips. With lots of people going after a profession, the average worker in that profession will be high quality.

Edit: also, casinos understand the impact that a professional dealer has on its customers.

This is why, even without tips, casinos would find a way to keep high quality dealers around (whether they pay a higher wage or not).

[Jeffage]

Ok,

I'll break my last post promise for a second here.

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This is why, even without tips, casinos would find a way to keep high quality dealers around (whether they pay a higher wage or not).

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Higher wages for dealers would be passed on to customers in the form of higher rakes and time charges. Thus, you will be forced to pay for something that is now discretionary - and you'll be forced to pay this regardless of the quality of service you receive.

If you don't believe what I'm saying, btw, look at a casino like Foxwoods. Here, poker dealers pool tips. So, even the most horrid dealers who get out 8 hands a down are paid the same as the best ones in the house. This doesn't work for the same reason communism didn't work - hard work and talent must be fairly compensated. The system works best as it does now where the best dealers make good money and the worst don't do as well.

Tipping dealers is part of the cost of doing business; I think you'll realize this when/if you move up to bigger games and are playing for important money and/or income. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about - I've played lots of live poker in the last five years.

Jeff

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Ok,

I'll break my last post promise for a second here.

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This is why, even without tips, casinos would find a way to keep high quality dealers around (whether they pay a higher wage or not).

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Higher wages for dealers would be passed on to customers in the form of higher rakes and time charges. Thus, you will be forced to pay for something that is now discretionary - and you'll be forced to pay this regardless of the quality of service you receive.

If you don't believe what I'm saying, btw, look at a casino like Foxwoods. Here, poker dealers pool tips. So, even the most horrid dealers who get out 8 hands a down are paid the same as the best ones in the house. This doesn't work for the same reason communism didn't work - hard work and talent must be fairly compensated. The system works best as it does now where the best dealers make good money and the worst don't do as well.

Tipping dealers is part of the cost of doing business; I think you'll realize this when/if you move up to bigger games and are playing for important money and/or income. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about - I've played lots of live poker in the last five years.

Jeff

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Ok, there we go. Thank you.

One more thing though. Casinos can't raise the rake too high (for the obvious reasons, especially with online poker blooming), so if the casinos were put in a situation where they had to pay dealers more, they would be stuck with their back against the wall.

They can't drive out the players that show up everyday.

I do play for a living, but I will never experience live play because I don't see any game there that could offer higher hourly rates than the online games offer.

Thanks for the responses Jeff. Your one of the few I have talked to that actually understand the dynamics of this topic.

Although, I still somewhat disagree, I realize that I have no live game experience, so this is where I have to depend on what you have said.

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[magoo]

One more thing though. Casinos can't raise the rake too high (for the obvious reasons, especially with online poker blooming), so if the casinos were put in a situation where they had to pay dealers more, they would be stuck with their back against the wall.

>>Not true. When that scenario arises, the joint closes the poker room, or in fact, DOES raises the rake (and players STILL patronize the place. That's why you have the $6 rake in some places).

They can't drive out the players that show up everyday.

>>Joints do that every day. A new poker replacement sucker is born every day.

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If you don't believe what I'm saying, btw, look at a casino like Foxwoods. Here, poker dealers pool tips. So, even the most horrid dealers who get out 8 hands a down are paid the same as the best ones in the house. This doesn't work for the same reason communism didn't work - hard work and talent must be fairly compensated. The system works best as it does now where the best dealers make good money and the worst don't do as well.


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Exactly right, Jeff. Toking is our way of being able to "review" dealers, reward the good ones and let the bad ones know they have to do a better job. I sit in a lot of games that contain dealers who are constantly toking a large amount each pot ($3-$5).

Their purpose is simple, get the table in the mood to tip and hope those in the box come into their house and jack up the toke rate when they are working. It usually works, but I'm sorry, even on monsters in a 6/12 game, they get a buck from me. If a dealer does a good job running the game, they'll get a little more at the end of their down, no matter if I won a pot.

I can say this without exception....dealers who were not happy with my $1 per pot tip, or who hustle trying for more somehow always seem to be the ones who would never deserve anything extra at the end of their down anyway.

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