AA At 100NL

[grando]

well I checked to induce a river bluff....now what?

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
4 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $128.90
Button: $91.80
SB: $55.90
BB: $18.50

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $4</font>, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($9.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $9</font>, Button calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($27.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $22</font>, Button calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($71.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">Button pushes all in for about 60 bucks,</font> Hero ???

[mrh86]

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well I checked to induce a river bluff....now what?

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $128.90
Button: $91.80
SB: $55.90
BB: $18.50

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $4</font>, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($9.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $9</font>, Button calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($27.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $22</font>, Button calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($71.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">Button pushes all in for about 60 bucks,</font> Hero ???

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Anybody with half a brain will bluff at this pot once you check the river. This is why you put out a small blocking bet and fold to the push, no matter what odds you're receiving, unless you've got some other read. That being said, in this scenario the river was butchered, and you've got to fold, unless you want to call a huge bet from somebody you described as a calling station.

[grando]

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Anybody with half a brain will bluff at this pot once you check the river.

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I agree, that's why I checked

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This is why you put out a small blocking bet and fold to the push, no matter what odds you're receiving, unless you've got some other read.

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getting over 5:1 at 100NL against someone I don't have a reliable read on?

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That being said, in this scenario the river was butchered, and you've got to fold, unless you want to call a huge bet from somebody you described as a calling station.

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what is the calling station betting on the river? it's either a bluff, a straight, or backdoor flush. he's not betting 1 pair or 2 pair, and he's probably not betting a set

[calmasahinducow]

check turn, check/fold river

[grando]

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check turn, check/fold river

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I don't think checking the turn is a particularly good play with a billion draws out there

[calmasahinducow]

then shove the turn

[grando]

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then shove the turn

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over 75 bucks into a 24 dollar pot?

[calmasahinducow]

you are giving odds for your whole stack with your bet on the turn and your unwillingness to fold 1-pair. check for pot control or shove. If you check you can then check again to induce a bluff on the river and then call a reasonable bet assuming a reasonable card comes. If you shove you are only getting called by better hands and retards. Betting 22 dollars leaves your stack with an awkward size and no plan for the river. Your check to induce a bluff on the river is also laughable. What hands are you inducing bluffs from that you're gonna call? Someone is really gonna bet 10 dollars into the 72 dollar pot with A7 or JThh?

[grando]

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you are giving odds for your whole stack with your bet on the turn and your unwillingness to fold 1-pair. check for pot control or shove. If you check you can then check again to induce a bluff on the river and then call a reasonable bet assuming a reasonable card comes. If you shove you are only getting called by better hands and retards. Betting 22 dollars leaves your stack with an awkward size and no plan for the river. Your check to induce a bluff on the river is also laughable. What hands are you inducing bluffs from that you're gonna call? Someone is really gonna bet 10 dollars into the 72 dollar pot with A7 or JThh?

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betting 22 gives me a perfect amount for a river bet to put him all in if this stupid card doesn't come

since when does betting 22 on the turn "give odds for my whole stack"? this river card isn't the worst card to come out - I'm scared way more if an 8 or 3 or heart comes off here

I don't think checking or pushing the turn is a good play, but I can appreciate your criticism

[cbiz]

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you are giving odds for your whole stack with your bet on the turn and your unwillingness to fold 1-pair. check for pot control or shove. If you check you can then check again to induce a bluff on the river and then call a reasonable bet assuming a reasonable card comes. If you shove you are only getting called by better hands and retards. Betting 22 dollars leaves your stack with an awkward size and no plan for the river. Your check to induce a bluff on the river is also laughable. What hands are you inducing bluffs from that you're gonna call? Someone is really gonna bet 10 dollars into the 72 dollar pot with A7 or JThh?

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So you say check or shove but a shove only gets called by better hands?

I would bet the turn 80%+ against this guy who, without a better read, we consider a calling station. What do u do when you are against a calling station? Value bet.

On the river this is a tough one but i doubt this guys is going to bluff the river a lot but also bet/folding getting 5 to 1 sounds retarded so i guess i just check/fold.