(114) Fun with JJ on the bubble

[Pudge714]

Just a thought here. What are the odds of UTG repushing?

[peek-a-boo]

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I'd assume that with only 1k behind, I have basically zero fold equity pre or post flop.

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I agree, and I mistyped in my reply last night (1k vs 1.4k).

But if we are going to get them in, the post FE is in fact a little better than PF.

UTG is the raiser.
SB with, or without a hand, most often checks the flop.
You push your last t1000.

UTG having completely whiffed may very well fold with donk SB left to act behind him. Negligible, but it is there.

[bigt439]

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Just a thought here. What are the odds of UTG repushing?

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v. high imo.

[StepRightUp]

this is an easy fold IMO. you are not calling here so treat it as push or fold. If you push it costs UTG only 1070 to win 7130 (because the donk caller will call this bet for an extra 360). So now your JJ has to hold up against 2 opponents which is never good. If UTG scoops, you take 3rd in the sng. If donk caller wins AND you beat UTG you just have a microstack. If donk caller wins and UTG takes second you're gone.

So basically you're JJ MUST beat these two opponents

I don't have poker stove here so I can't do the numbers. But based on that alone this is an obvious fold on the bubble.

[suzzer99]

Microbet says possibly call and shove a safe flop. I like that idea. (Safe = no A or K).

[Austiger]

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Microbet says possibly call and shove a safe flop. I like that idea. (Safe = no A or K).

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Horrible idea, IMO.

[suzzer99]

I don't think it's that bad. It's only 1200 more to call. You're getting 3.3-1 with JJ. You're still alive if you have to fold. If you shove here they're definitely both calling. Even a stop n go would be better than a shove I think. I'm pretty sure calling > shoving and the more I think about it the more I think calling > folding.

[mackthefork]

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I don't think it's that bad. It's only 1200 more to call. You're getting 3-1 with JJ. You're still alive if you have to fold. If you shove here they're definitely both calling. Even a stop n go would be better than a shove I think. I'm pretty sure calling > shoving and the more I think about it the more I think calling > folding.

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Its admirable that you guys are looking for ways to avoid folding good hands on the bubble, but i think you have to here, yet again.

Mack

[Newt_Buggs]

Calling looks good and varying up the flop play depending on the SB's action and the flop.

[Ditch Digger]

Pretty sure I'd fold this. WTF is with the pf action, are either of these 2 going to be able to get away from their hands post flop?