The "Ghost" extra chips in the WSOP ME

[THEOSU]

Noah,

Man, it's early. You can't expect me to read through the whole thread to figure that out, can you?

[NoahSD]

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Noah,

Man, it's early. You can't expect me to read through the whole thread to figure that out, can you?

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[img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I did.

Anyway, it's really early, but this sounds like it can be a huge issue.

I kinda wish that it just died out because it'll be bad for poker if it turns out that there was a huge mistake or cheating going on, but obviously, that's very unfair to the people who played.

[MrFizzbin]

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Noah,

Man, it's early. You can't expect me to read through the whole thread to figure that out, can you?

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[img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I did.

Anyway, it's really early, but this sounds like it can be a huge issue.

I kinda wish that it just died out because it'll be bad for poker if it turns out that there was a huge mistake or cheating going on, but obviously, that's very unfair to the people who played.

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Cheating ?!?!? in a competition with 10 Million @ stake and 8800 different people playing.... Gee some of these people are dishonest... I'm stunned... FWIW the extra chips may have helped the winners but I doubt they helped the people that originally brought them in (yes I get the fact that the extras might have helped the cheaters bust people that didnt deserve to be busted, of course its kind of difficult to sneak in a stack of chips, most likely a couple of 25k chips /10k chips slipped in when the TD's start early color ups (nobody notices but have a huge impact...) but you have to survive to that point. But short of getting RFID chips in the chips there is no way to stop this.

[MicroBob]

But where did the freaking extra chips come from in the first place and who got them in there?


It's not like I can just pocket them from my own stack and then sneak them over to somebody else to put in their stack. That wouldn't lead to any extra chips in the count.


They had to come from the Rio somehow, right?

[sekrah]

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But where did the freaking extra chips come from in the first place and who got them in there?


It's not like I can just pocket them from my own stack and then sneak them over to somebody else to put in their stack. That wouldn't lead to any extra chips in the count.


They had to come from the Rio somehow, right?

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Other tournaments.

[MicroBob]

So what denomination chips were most frequently pocketed from prelim events?

A ton of $25 and $100 chips just seems silly (although maybe not).
Once you get deep enough in a $1500 prelim where you have $5k and $25k chips I would think you wouldn't want to part with them in that event.

Although maybe some short-stack guy who has gotten fairly deep pushes all-in and knows he is covered and is somehow able to palm one or two of the $5k chips from his stack since he knows he's about out of the tourney anyway.

Something like that seem plausible?


Still, for 2-3 million in extra chips this needed to happen several times.

[sekrah]

i'd say the Rebuy events would be the best place to stuff away chips.

[sketchy1]

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So what denomination chips were most frequently pocketed from prelim events?

A ton of $25 and $100 chips just seems silly (although maybe not).
Once you get deep enough in a $1500 prelim where you have $5k and $25k chips I would think you wouldn't want to part with them in that event.

Although maybe some short-stack guy who has gotten fairly deep pushes all-in and knows he is covered and is somehow able to palm one or two of the $5k chips from his stack since he knows he's about out of the tourney anyway.

Something like that seem plausible?


Still, for 2-3 million in extra chips this needed to happen several times.

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sure you wouldn't want to part with them, that's why when you move all-in, get called and bust, and you're stacking off to see if you're covered, you palm a few of the bigs.

[MrFizzbin]

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But where did the freaking extra chips come from in the first place and who got them in there?


It's not like I can just pocket them from my own stack and then sneak them over to somebody else to put in their stack. That wouldn't lead to any extra chips in the count.


They had to come from the Rio somehow, right?

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Why couldn't they be counterfieted (yes its spelled badly go away trolls) Its not like Harrahs re-designs the chips each year (that would cost money) Of course they could auction off the previous years chips on ebay either individually or as chip sets and probably make more enough to cover costs and provide a little profit... but that would require forward thinking..... and lets face it these guys aren't too forward....