Winning Players

[kimchi]

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I've heard 10%, but that may be optimistic.

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I've heard this figure too, but I'm not sure it's right. 45% of players are >0BB/100 according to my PT database, and this number increases as I filter for a greater number of hands.

[jtr]

This old thread might be helpful.

[Ares]

You need a large amount of hands to characterise someone as a "winning player". Maybe 100k and more hands. The smaller his winrate the more hands you need. 1.000 or even 10.000 hands say nothing at all. The SD/EV ratio is really high in holdem.

[dtan05]

well, usually the losing players don't play as many hands as the winning players, unless they're loaded.

[Poker Plan]

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I've heard 10%, but that may be optimistic.

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I've heard this figure too, but I'm not sure it's right. 45% of players are >0BB/100 according to my PT database, and this number increases as I filter for a greater number of hands.

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Yeah, but you're not tracking each player's (in your PT database)results over their poker career. You're just seeing a snapshot for the time they are at your tables.

Ian

[suited aces]

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45% of players are >0BB/100 according to my PT database, and this number increases as I filter for a greater number of hands.

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Have you ever heard of survivorship bias?

[rakemeplz]

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I've heard 10%, but that may be optimistic.

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I've heard this figure too, but I'm not sure it's right. 45% of players are >0BB/100 according to my PT database, and this number increases as I filter for a greater number of PROS.

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fp

[fnord_too]

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I've heard 10%, but that may be optimistic.

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I've heard this figure too, but I'm not sure it's right. 45% of players are >0BB/100 according to my PT database, and this number increases as I filter for a greater number of hands.

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Survivor bias.

OP, if I had to pick a number, it would be about 5% are winning players, though maybe 10% end up beating the game (winning players who don't go busto + losing players who win some and don't lose it all back, like they go on a heater or win a tourney, withdraw a good percentage and lose the rest and don't redeposit.)

[jackaaron]

Could it be possible that the population of players that play predominately cash games have a higher percentage of profitable players than the population of players that predominately play MTTs and/or STTs?

[ConfusedAgain]

I guess the 5% casino edge online crushes even decent players over the long run except at higher stakes where it is maxed out easily. Higher limits could have much larger % of winners.