chess or poker

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obviously chess, not even remotely close. Ask any titled chessplayer and I'm pretty sure they will give you the same answer.

[Slap My Jack]

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obviously chess, not even remotely close. Ask any titled chessplayer and I'm pretty sure they will give you the same answer.

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Dan Harrington was a chess champ, along with backgammon I think too. I forget what he said, if anything, about which is more demanding skillwise, but I would guess he prefers poker as the more interesting challenge

[curtains]

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obviously chess, not even remotely close. Ask any titled chessplayer and I'm pretty sure they will give you the same answer.

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Dan Harrington was a chess champ, along with backgammon I think too. I forget what he said, if anything, about which is more demanding skillwise, but I would guess he prefers poker as the more interesting challenge

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Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but Harrington said in print, and IM paraphrasing somewhat, but that "Chess is a much better game than poker" and chess is much more difficult. Of course the problem is there is no money in chess, as is going to be the case with any game that is so "difficult".

[quickfetus]

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obviously chess, not even remotely close. Ask any titled chessplayer and I'm pretty sure they will give you the same answer.

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Glad someone who knows both games better than me agrees [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Seriously guys; most of poker is a monkey game. If you're not retarded, Read HoH and you'll be a winner in almost any game in the world. Just to be an average tournament chessplayer requires WAY more study/intellectual work than being a very winning poker player. With all due respect, much of NLHE can be reduced to logic monkeys can understand. Good luck making pot odds/implied odds/EV calcuations look like they're in the same universe as accurately judging an endgame 15 moves down the line, anyone who cares to try [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

[Hiltonian]

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If you're not retarded, Read HoH and you'll be a winner in almost any game in the world.

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You hold HoH with very high esteem I see.

[VanVeen]

if you're not retarded you can easily dominate the average person at chess without lessons. with lessons you can beat them 'artistically'. with more lessons you can beat people much smarter than you if they're new to the game. so what does that tell us?

chess has been studied for centuries by some very smart people. openings and their various furcations have been analysed exhaustively by countless aspiring grandmasters. because of the availability of all of this information the game has become very, very difficult at the intermediate+ levels. not unexpected! poker (esp NL), meanwhile, hasn't been formally studied by anyone, really. many of the top players don't even bother with math because the game is in such a early stage of development that they needn't trouble themselves. simplistic betting strategies and elementary logic suffice. that, however, doesn't mean it will remain so.

[tbart]

I'll teach somebody chess (2400 guy) if they teach me how to not suck at poker, preferably somebody who can beat 5/10 LHE or higher. For the debate, chess is definately harder, and much more work is needed to become decent.

[Money2Burn]

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obviously chess, not even remotely close. Ask any titled chessplayer and I'm pretty sure they will give you the same answer.

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Glad someone who knows both games better than me agrees [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Seriously guys; most of poker is a monkey game. If you're not retarded, Read HoH and you'll be a winner in almost any game in the world. Just to be an average tournament chessplayer requires WAY more study/intellectual work than being a very winning poker player. With all due respect, much of NLHE can be reduced to logic monkeys can understand. Good luck making pot odds/implied odds/EV calcuations look like they're in the same universe as accurately judging an endgame 15 moves down the line, anyone who cares to try [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

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The reason that much of poker seems like a "monkey game" isn't because it requieres less skill it is because poker is incredibly popular right now and there are TONS of people playing, at all levels, who just plain suck i.e. me. Therefor the skill level of most poker games has dropped.

[JaBlue]

not going to make a serious argument because I can't see any kind of argument to be made for poker being more difficult and requiring more skill.

I do want to say, though, that I don't think brilliancy in a poker match can rival brilliancy in a chess match. If you've ever seen one of the great games of chess (and have some understanding of the game...), I think you know this to be true.

[Oxy]

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obviously chess, not even remotely close.

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+ the game of chess is still changing.