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Old 01-20-2006, 06:01 PM
Ansky Ansky is offline
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Default Very deep 5/10 overpair

I really suck with super deep stacks. When I started playing nl cash it took me a while to learn to play 100bb stacks (I'm a tournament donkey). Then eventually I got comfortable playing 200bb, but never had much experience playing 400bb deep cause at 2/4nl most people run away after winning a few buy ins. Now at 5/10 I expect to have to play deeper I suppose. Here is probably my first confrontation with very deep stacks.

The villain in this hand seems to be a good multi tabler. He is probably more tricky and aggressive than most, although I don't recall how he got his stack. I don't have a very specific read on him. My table image is sort of LAG ish, but not in a bad way I guess. Anyway, this hand really just confused me and I wasn't sure when to put in a raise if ever.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

CO ($1000)
Button ($1090)
SB ($975)
BB ($965)
UTG ($4150)
Hero ($3884)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $35</font>, Hero calls $35, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $35, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($120) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $85</font>, Hero calls $85, Button folds.

Turn: ($290) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $220</font>, Hero calls $220.

River: ($730) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero...

Comments on all streets, not just a river decision. Thanks.
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Old 01-20-2006, 06:05 PM
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Default Re: Very deep 5/10 overpair

U played it fine. Check the river right behind and hope he has 1010 or 88. If he has a set or Jack you saved money by checking the river.
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Old 01-20-2006, 06:10 PM
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Default Re: Very deep 5/10 overpair

Looks fine - I don't mind a raise on the turn either as long as he's not prone to a 3bet push semi-bluff there [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] The raise should scare him and he might still call with a weird draw which you can check behind if called.
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Old 01-20-2006, 06:15 PM
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Default Re: Very deep 5/10 overpair

3bet pre all day
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Old 01-20-2006, 06:18 PM
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Default Re: Very deep 5/10 overpair

Looks ok to me, but why no reraise PF?
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Old 01-20-2006, 06:36 PM
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Default Re: Very deep 5/10 overpair

The deep stacks should not be a problem here because your holding is not good enough to back with a stack. You can raise at any point (pre, flop, turn) and if he comes over the top big you are done with the hand. You aren't quite bluffing by raising, but you don't have a 3-betting hand.

Remember, he's got to be concerned with your stack too, so he's unlikely to make big moves on you.

You played it quite conservatively, which is fine in my book. Checking the river behind is appropriate given the action.
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Old 01-20-2006, 06:39 PM
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Default Re: Very deep 5/10 overpair

no value in betting because he could easily be chk-calling KK/AA here and you are throwing money away.
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Old 01-20-2006, 06:49 PM
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Default Re: Very deep 5/10 overpair

I think this is played perfectly. Now check the river. I don't like re-raise preflop here. Hope to hit a set and bust him or win a nice small pot like it looks like you did here. Why re-raise and either take it down preflop or give him a chance to take away your implied odds by re-raising you?
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Old 01-20-2006, 07:01 PM
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This deep I really don't see much value in reraising preflop. I'd rather have him think my range is huge, than allow him to play pretty easily against me.
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Old 01-20-2006, 07:16 PM
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Default Re: Very deep 5/10 overpair

ansky, if you are re-raising actively preflop in position, then your range is still huge.
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