Flop Decision w/ Bottom Two Pair

[TheBlueMonster]

I don't know if I'd call. Even with mouth vomit. Let's say you have the best hand. There's no point in completely crippling yourself with a vulnerable hand.

[Dave D]

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I don't know if I'd call. Even with mouth vomit. Let's say you have the best hand. There's no point in completely crippling yourself with a vulnerable hand.

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This makes no sense. Either you have the best hand, or it's vulnerable.

Unless you're worried that villian might hit his gutshot...

You're also assuming villian calls, whichI think is a bad assumpton.

[mmmmmbeeeer]

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I don't know if I'd call. Even with mouth vomit. Let's say you have the best hand. There's no point in completely crippling yourself with a vulnerable hand.

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This makes no sense. Either you have the best hand, or it's vulnerable.


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this is not an either/or proposition.

if villain has, say, K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], your hand is both best right now and very vulnerable

[Dave D]

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I don't know if I'd call. Even with mouth vomit. Let's say you have the best hand. There's no point in completely crippling yourself with a vulnerable hand.

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This makes no sense. Either you have the best hand, or it's vulnerable.


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this is not an either/or proposition.

if villain has, say, K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], your hand is both best right now and very vulnerable

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This is a fundamental flaw in your thinking. The "what if villian hits" should never be a consideration in this way. If you're ahead right now, you're ahead, take advantage of it, and its not like you're giving villian good odds to hit a flush draw or something.

If you're vulnerable, then you're vulnerable. That's why you should push and hope that villian correctly folds. If he hits his 33%er, so be it, but you got your money in with the best hand.

Push your edges when you have them.

[mmmmmbeeeer]

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I don't know if I'd call. Even with mouth vomit. Let's say you have the best hand. There's no point in completely crippling yourself with a vulnerable hand.

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This makes no sense. Either you have the best hand, or it's vulnerable.


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this is not an either/or proposition.

if villain has, say, K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], your hand is both best right now and very vulnerable

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This is a fundamental flaw in your thinking. The "what if villian hits" should never be a consideration in this way. If you're ahead right now, you're ahead, take advantage of it, and its not like you're giving villian good odds to hit a flush draw or something.

If you're vulnerable, then you're vulnerable. That's why you should push and hope that villian correctly folds. If he hits his 33%er, so be it, but you got your money in with the best hand.

Push your edges when you have them.

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no, you misunderstood me. i was making no comment regarding the proper flop play. i wasn't saying that i should fold b/c i'm vulnerable.

you made an either/or statement. "Either you have the best hand, or it's vulnerable." this means one of the two propositions in the statement is true, but not both. my example was to point out that your either/or is false, because in that case you both have the best hand and have a vulnerable hand.