Has the US gone communist yet? It's hard to tell.

[John Feeney]

I asked the question in at least four separate responses to you. This was the first time you saw it??? Or was this simply the time (due to wacki's links) when you felt you'd better have an answer?

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I didnt say I work FOR climatologists, I said I have consulted to organizations which include climatologists, and have had the opportunity to discuss the issues with them.

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No you didn't. You said:

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...as part of my job [ I ] work with several climatologists.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...Number=6033695


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Two very different statements. Interesting how the story has changed.

So do any of these guys you've talked to have any direct involvement at all in climate change research? Could you please point us to which of them has published peer reviewed articles on climate change? (I think you were only able to come up with one guy before, without direct ties to big oil, who had actually published something related in some way to climate change.)

You still seem unable or unwilling to name them. Who are they? After all, we've provided you with many scientists doing peer reviewed research who will tell you the consensus is overwhelming on the anthropogenic factor in climate change. Perhaps if you tell us who these scientists are that you've talked with, we'll have a better idea how you came to believe there is no consensus on anthropogenic global warming.

And, out of curiosity, are you claiming expertise in all those other areas wacki listed?

[John Feeney]

I asked Copernicus:

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I asked the question in at least four separate responses to you. This was the first time you saw it???

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If that's true, I wonder if this doesn't shed some light on some of your past posts. A number of times your arguments have been soundly and, IMO, decisivley refuted. Yet you've continued on as if you hadn't even read the post refuting you. (At a minimum, you've seemed to ignore important points. e.g., my questioning your assertion that some countries had military budgets not too much smaller than that of the U.S.) Now I'm wondering if maybe you hadn't read those posts. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[Copernicus]

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I asked Copernicus:

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I asked the question in at least four separate responses to you. This was the first time you saw it???

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If that's true, I wonder if this doesn't shed some light on some of your past posts. A number of times your arguments have been soundly and, IMO, decisivley refuted. Yet you've continued on as if you hadn't even read the post refuting you. (At a minimum, you've seemed to ignore important points. e.g., my questioning your assertion that some countries had military budgets not too much smaller than that of the U.S.) Now I'm wondering if maybe you hadn't read those posts. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Im sure I miss a lot of posts. When a thread winds up on the second or third page, I dont see it, leave the forum and return, then even though it might reappear on the first page the responses before I left the forum are skipped as "read".

My life doesnt center around these boards. In fact a lot of the "board closure" thread and the new post by myrtle on board decorum make me wonder how pathetic the lives of some posters must be. Its a freaking internet bulletin board. On a scale of importance it ranks somewhere well below weeding the walkway.

[John Feeney]

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Its a freaking internet bulletin board. On a scale of importance it ranks somewhere well below weeding the walkway.

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We agree on this. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

You've been posting a heck of a lot lately, and I sincerely hope you're able keep that perspective.

[kurto]

This guy is funny.

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My life doesnt center around these boards. In fact a lot of the "board closure" thread and the new post by myrtle on board decorum make me wonder how pathetic the lives of some posters must be. Its a freaking internet bulletin board. On a scale of importance it ranks somewhere well below weeding the walkway.

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This is from a guy who has written close to 20% of this thread... who spends hours on the forum (how long does one think it took him to write his 25 posts yesterday? Many of them rathar lengthy) He then proceeds to call others on the forum pathetic for their attention to the forum.

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On a scale of importance it ranks somewhere well below weeding the walkway.

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So... how much time to do you spend weeding the walkway?

[Copernicus]

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I asked the question in at least four separate responses to you. This was the first time you saw it??? Or was this simply the time (due to wacki's links) when you felt you'd better have an answer?

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I didnt say I work FOR climatologists, I said I have consulted to organizations which include climatologists, and have had the opportunity to discuss the issues with them.

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No you didn't. You said:

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...as part of my job [ I ] work with several climatologists.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...Number=6033695


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Two very different statements. Interesting how the story has changed.

So do any of these guys you've talked to have any direct involvement at all in climate change research? Could you please point us to which of them has published peer reviewed articles on climate change? (I think you were only able to come up with one guy before, without direct ties to big oil, who had actually published something related in some way to climate change.)

You still seem unable or unwilling to name them. Who are they? After all, we've provided you with many scientists doing peer reviewed research who will tell you the consensus is overwhelming on the anthropogenic factor in climate change. Perhaps if you tell us who these scientists are that you've talked with, we'll have a better idea how you came to believe there is no consensus on anthropogenic global warming.

And, out of curiosity, are you claiming expertise in all those other areas wacki listed?

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What dont you understand about the difference between working WITH someone and working FOR someone? There is no change in story, just your desperate attempt to discredit something you have no clue about.

There are confidentiality agreements that prevent me from naming them or their companies. Yes they have direct involvement in climate change research.

Expertise in what areas? My expertise is primarily in financial forecasting, economics, statistics, defense contracting and auditing, corporate tax law and labor relations.

[John Feeney]

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What dont you understand about the difference between working WITH someone and working FOR someone? There is no change in story, just your desperate attempt to discredit something you have no clue about.

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I think anyone can see the difference between:

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...as part of my job [ I ] work with several climatologists. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...Number=6033695

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...and:

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I have consulted to organizations which include climatologists

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[wacki]

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There are confidentiality agreements that prevent me from naming them or their companies.

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Climate scientist + confidentiality agreements that prevent naming names

I know a lot of people at NOAA, WHOI, Cambridge and Goddard. I've NEVER heard of anything like this. One more thing I can't take seriously.

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*** You are ignoring this user ***

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[Copernicus]

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There are confidentiality agreements that prevent me from naming them or their companies.

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Climate scientist + confidentiality agreements that prevent naming names

I know a lot of people at NOAA, WHOI, Cambridge and Goddard. I've NEVER heard of anything like this. One more thing I can't take seriously.

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*** You are ignoring this user ***

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Again you would rather twist words than engage in a reasonable discussion. The confidentiality agreements and my work have nothing to do with climate studies, it has merely brought me into contact with those climatologists.

If you dont recognize that confidentiality agreements are used in any major corporoate financial study then you have no clue about how business is done.

I'll respond to substance, not this nonsense any longer. buh bye.