Best tournament player of all time

[El Diablo]

All,

Looks like it's clear 1-2 battle between Hellmuth and Madsen. I would hope some of you recognize that most of Hellmuth's wins came at a time when very few people played in the tournaments, so you should definitely discount much of his early performance and focus on his recent lack of success. When you look at it in an unbiased manner like that, I think it's clear that Madsen's accomplishments are far more impressive.

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El D

I think you forgot Mark Seif, he won 2 bracelets last year like in a week. Also, you should consider Men the Master, he has won like 3452 $100 Crazy Pinapple tournaments in LA.

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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El D

I think you forgot Mark Seif, he won 2 bracelets last year like in a week. Also, you should consider Men the Master, he has won like 3452 $100 Crazy Pinapple tournaments in LA.

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Seif's results don't really matters ince the fields were smaller last year and the games were easier. Anybody could have won 2 bracelets last year if they just got a bit lucky.

[T_Nasty]

Ok, I'm pretty sure you're yanking my chain now.

[edfurlong]

This is pretty easy, Hellmuth has been eligible to play at the world series of poker for over twenty years, but only has nine braclets. That is less than one every two years.

Madsen has only been eligible for one year but has two bracelets(so far). That is two bracelets a year. If the math is confusing I'll break it down for you, Phil would need to win 31 events this year just to be almost even with Madsen.

[Makonnen]

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This is pretty easy, Hellmuth has been eligible to play at the world series of poker for over twenty years, but only has nine braclets. That is less than one every two years.

Madsen has only been eligible for one year but has two bracelets(so far). That is two bracelets a year. If the math is confusing I'll break it down for you, Phil would need to win 31 events this year just to be almost even with Madsen.

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vnh. Almost got coffee coming out of odd orifii.

-Makonnen

[Roswell]

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After keeping up this pace for even as little as a few years, he's going to be unbelievably wealthy. Factor the supplemental income from the inevitable endorsements, what's to stop him from retiring at 25? 23?

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I agree - there is a good chance Madsen will retire. I have known many gamblers who won lots of money, and then they quit gambling forever. People are generally smart enough to protect their wealth by putting the money into treasury bonds, then retiring to a place like San Diego - never to be seen in a card room again.

El Diablo, do you agree that this will almost cerainly happen?

[PWHerman]

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After keeping up this pace for even as little as a few years, he's going to be unbelievably wealthy. Factor the supplemental income from the inevitable endorsements, what's to stop him from retiring at 25? 23?

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I agree - there is a good chance Madsen will retire. I have known many gamblers who won lots of money, and then they quit gambling forever. People are generally smart enough to protect their wealth by putting the money into treasury bonds, then retiring to a place like San Diego - never to be seen in a card room again.

El Diablo, do you agree that this will almost cerainly happen?

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I changed my mind overnight on this subject (please see my later post), but I will say that grouping Madsen with every other gambler is a lot like grouping him with every other tournament player.

[kemystery]

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After keeping up this pace for even as little as a few years, he's going to be unbelievably wealthy. Factor the supplemental income from the inevitable endorsements, what's to stop him from retiring at 25? 23?

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I agree - there is a good chance Madsen will retire. I have known many gamblers who won lots of money, and then they quit gambling forever. People are generally smart enough to protect their wealth by putting the money into treasury bonds, then retiring to a place like San Diego - never to be seen in a card room again.

El Diablo, do you agree that this will almost cerainly happen?

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it's working for Fischman

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vnh. Almost got coffee coming out of odd orifii.

-Makonnen

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It's just "orifices". Not every big word is Latinized in the plural.