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07-18-2006, 02:15 PM
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Re: Rebuilding the Cubs
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Is it possible to be a "fairweather fan" of a team that hasn't won anything in 98 years? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, all the people who started liking them in 98 and 03. 
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#55
07-18-2006, 03:16 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'd take ARam over Atkins and Zimmerman [/ QUOTE ] Atkins, fine. ZIMMERMAN?! [/ QUOTE ] Plus Atkins plays half his games in Coors. [/ QUOTE ] Yea, too bad Aram doesnt play in a hitter friendly ballpark.
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#56
07-18-2006, 03:33 PM
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Re: Rebuilding the Cubs
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[ QUOTE ] Is it possible to be a "fairweather fan" of a team that hasn't won anything in 98 years? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, all the people who started liking them in 98 and 03. [/ QUOTE ] I was raised to be a Cubs fan, as was my father. My grandfather suffered with their losses in the '30's and '40's. My father has endured for years. I did through the 70's, '80's and '90's. (Started some in the late '60's but I was too young to know what was happening, I am told I could say some of the bums' names as some of my early words, Billy Williams, Ron Santo, etc...) However, I finally woke up, as many people do who are raised to believe in a certain religion. Fairweather fan? maybe. I have written at length in the past that the true Cubs fan must jump off the bandwagon. If you ever want them to win stop supporting them. I have old posts on this. So wake me if they ever get to a series, but by then I probably won't care. So am I a fairweather fan? Perhaps and I don't care. Rooting for the Cubs is an awful, un-American, self destructive thing. If you want to do it go ahead, but don't kid yourself as to its merit.
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#57
07-18-2006, 03:47 PM
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Re: Rebuilding the Cubs
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'd take ARam over Atkins and Zimmerman [/ QUOTE ] Atkins, fine. ZIMMERMAN?! [/ QUOTE ] Plus Atkins plays half his games in Coors. [/ QUOTE ] Yea, too bad Aram doesnt play in a hitter friendly ballpark. [/ QUOTE ] while Wrigley gets alot of Pub for offensive output, it is merely a function of the wind blowing out. It blows in almost twice as often as it blows out. Everyone remembers the 12-10 games, but forget the 3-1 games. The park on the south side is much more hitter friendly on a day-to-day basis. Time for the stat guys to weigh in and tell me how wrong I am.
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#58
07-18-2006, 03:50 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The line-up is actually pretty decent--Murton, Pierre, Jones, Ramirez, Cedeno, Walker, Lee, and Barrett is solid for the NL. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, that would be fine if Dusty actually played those guys. Neifi Perez seems to find his way in the lineup at all times, as do other idiots replacing actual prospects. [/ QUOTE ] or if the entire outfield didn't suck eggs. essentially, the cubs are stuck with prior. he simply has to be healthy, they can't get much that would compare to the upside that is him 3 years ago. basically, get enlightened management and managers and spend some of the ludicrous amounts of cash made on the Cubs on the STUDS and not jacque [censored] jones. get beltran, get pedro, whatever. take only the best guys on the market for more than a couple mil a year. Note how this "decent lineup" has a -.120 OBP or something ridiculous outside of DLee. Sadly the farm looks rather barren as well for impact players. Lots of high-upside pitching and zero position talent. Even the patterson trade looks stupid. [/ QUOTE ] well....I think part of the guys sucking eggs has to deal with the immature, drunken idiots sitting in the bleachers. Like it or not, their constant ribbing doesn't help players caught in a cold spell. They booed away Matthews. They booed away Patterson. They are making Jones life quite miserable. If you play well, the Cubs are a great team to play with, but, if you don't play well, Chicago is nearly as miserable as the Yankees. Jacque Jones got hit from debris thrown by a drunk female 20-year old, who faced no punishment other than being thrown own of the park....hilarious
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#59
07-18-2006, 03:51 PM
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Re: Rebuilding the Cubs
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'd take ARam over Atkins and Zimmerman [/ QUOTE ] Atkins, fine. ZIMMERMAN?! [/ QUOTE ] Plus Atkins plays half his games in Coors. [/ QUOTE ] Yea, too bad Aram doesnt play in a hitter friendly ballpark. [/ QUOTE ] while Wrigley gets alot of Pub for offensive output, it is merely a function of the wind blowing out. It blows in almost twice as often as it blows out. Everyone remembers the 12-10 games, but forget the 3-1 games. The park on the south side is much more hitter friendly on a day-to-day basis. Time for the stat guys to weigh in and tell me how wrong I am. [/ QUOTE ] Actually you're right, the wind does blow in more. Also for thinkin Aram is one of the top 3rd baseman in the NL ... are you nuts?
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#60
07-18-2006, 03:53 PM
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Re: Rebuilding the Cubs
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[ QUOTE ] Im a pissed off Cubs fan and I need new ownership and personnel or im gonna go crazy. [/ QUOTE ] You've put your finger on the problem: you need new ownership, but you're not going to get it. There is an alternative to going crazy, however. You can stop being a Cubs fan. This is going to sound like pure troll, but it isn't; I'm trying to give you some good advice. The Cubs represent everything that is wrong with modern America: they have a cutsey name; they play in an outmoded and decaying infra-structure; and, most importantly, they have corporate ownership that wants to make a profit, doesn't care if it wins or loses as long as it makes its short-term money, and wouldn't know a winning baseball team if one fell out of a tree and landed on them. For decades, I used to eat breakfast in the same cafe every morning. I always sat at the counter and I always sat next to Mr. Baker. Mr. Baker was born in 1908 and had been an avid Cubs fan his entire life. He had no living memory of the Cubs being World Champs, but he never lost hope. He watched and scored all their games on WGN, and he'd sit at that counter every morning trying to dream up the one move that would propel the Cubs to greatness. Mr. Baker died in 2001, a broken man. Most people speculated that the Pall Malls killed Mr. Baker, but they didn't---it was the Chicago Cubs. Don't become another Mr. Baker. Say to yourself, "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it any more!" Turn your life around. Go to the nearest sporting goods store. Buy one of those beautiful black hats that say SOX on the front. Hell, buy any hat you want as long as it isn't a Cubs hat. End the madness. [/ QUOTE ] The interesting thing is more and more teams are going to be stuck in this situation. With all of the expansion, teams will only win about 1 title in 30 years. Combine that with the all-or-nothing mentality that seems to be getting stronger (where runner-up is a failure), and there are going to be lots of disappointed fan bases into the future.
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