Advice f/ a MHNL'er Post #3

[FreakDaddy]

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I'll go even further and say many players lose money by using their pt stats based on the 50hands they datamined before sitting down

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I completely agree.

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This statment is quickly becomming a sick mantra on this forum. If people are losing money because of PT stats, then they're not applying them correctly. Plain and simple.

I'm not saying anyone on this post was saying they don't know how to use PT. But I do hear so much hate for PT/GT+. If you're such PT/GT+ haters, why in the hell do you use it?

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I love pt, I have nothing against pt. But there is no "right" way to use data from 50hands, the only "right" thing to do is to ignore it.

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I don't get this at all... After 50 hands in PT, you're telling me that you can't get an idea of how a person is playing?

[deaders]

50 hands has to have some value, it shouldnt be the total basis of your actions against that player but if someone has stats like 80/5 then its pretty safe to assume that they are a passive donk.

[Fallen Hero]

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50 hands has to have some value, it shouldnt be the total basis of your actions against that player but if someone has stats like 80/5 then its pretty safe to assume that they are a passive donk.

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if someone is playing 80/5 you don't need to look at pt to see he's being a calling station pf.
50 hands doesn't mean a thing, I can run great for 50hands and raise every other hand or I can get plenty of suited connectors and limp every hand.

[Isura]

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I'll go even further and say many players lose money by using their pt stats based on the 50hands they datamined before sitting down

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I completely agree.

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This statment is quickly becomming a sick mantra on this forum. If people are losing money because of PT stats, then they're not applying them correctly. Plain and simple.

I'm not saying anyone on this post was saying they don't know how to use PT. But I do hear so much hate for PT/GT+. If you're such PT/GT+ haters, why in the hell do you use it?

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I love pt, I have nothing against pt. But there is no "right" way to use data from 50hands, the only "right" thing to do is to ignore it.

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I don't get this at all... After 50 hands in PT, you're telling me that you can't get an idea of how a person is playing?

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So often you hear, "villain is 50/5 after 50 hands, no way is he bluffing this river" or similar such comments. In 50 hands a player will play around 1-3 big pots. I would much rather extrapolate how he plays in those 3 pots than from his stats over 50 hands.

[Mercman572]

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So often you hear, "villain is 50/5 after 50 hands, no way is he bluffing this river" or similar such comments. In 50 hands a player will play around 1-3 big pots. I would much rather extrapolate how he plays in those 3 pots than from his stats over 50 hands.

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If you've been able to pay attention to how villain has been playing the entire session, good for you. This of course supercedes stats. I don't always see how a hand played out because I'll have action on my other table. I know how to use these stats correctly, and I profit from them.

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I love pt, I have nothing against pt. But there is no "right" way to use data from 50hands, the only "right" thing to do is to ignore it.

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Incorrect, if you don't get something out of 50 hands of stats you don't know how to use them. True, the hands you are dealt could drastically alter your regular stats for that short of a time period, and you must consider that when looking at them. However, if someone is 10/4 after 50 hands you KNOW at least that he excercises hand selection. He might not be as tight as his numbers suggest, but a LOOSE player will find way more than 5 hands in 50 to play regardless of the cards he has been dealt in that session.

Certain numbers become more valuable sooner. WTSD and W$atSD are not typically one of them. But if you haven't been paying much attention and you see .15 PFA and a 35% WTSD after 50 hands and there is no big LAG at the table, you can be pretty certain the player is passive. This DOES NOT tell you that he needs top pair or better to bet, just that he has been passive, and you should note this if he suddenly becomes aggressive.

Statistics at 50 dealt hands ARE helpful, although they do have a wide margin of error. If you understand their variability and do NOT extrapolate too far BEYOND the data you will benefit from these numbers. If you don't understand statistics than no, these numbers won't help you and you are best waiting for a large sample with very confidence so that you can more directly follow the data.

Saying that you are better off, or just as well off not having ANY information is simply absurd.

[vulturesrow]

My only addition is that VPIP and AF tend to converge pretty quickly. How you utilize thost stats is where it gets tricky.

[monkover]

Really nice post, I´ll start datamining too...
tnx

[Robert A.]

Those of you who dont use PaHUD, do you not use it at all, or do you filter stats so it only shows stats for players you have 200+ hands on (like quarkncover said)?

[kitaristi0]

Wow, was the OP really over a year old. Time flies.

[wrkingtobegreat]

thank you so much whitelime. this series has taught me alot.