Gay marriages... dictated by religious authorities

[vhawk01]

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It's a perversion of the natural state of affairs, and as such it weakens the social fabric in the same way polygamy and bestiality do.

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The only perversion is you calling it so. It is found in all cultures and in most species.

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So is polygamy, beastiality and sex with underage females. But society doesn't allow those.

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You understand that just saying words doesnt demonstrate that your analogy is valid right?

"I think we should be able to watch TV past nine o'clock."

"No, thats too late, and really you should be sleeping so you can get to work tomorrow."

"Well sure, but I mean, people stay up late all the time, and they still manage to get to work, usually."

"Yeah, well people murder people all the time too, you don't think thats ok do you? Murderer."

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[Phil153]

Thank you for making my point. I'm trying to show that HIS comments are invalid. Just because all cultures and all species do something doesn't mean it's normal or desirable behaviour. Get it?

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[MidGe]

Dear Notable Twit,

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Just because all cultures and all species do something doesn't mean it's normal or desirable behaviour.

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Maybe not desirable, but surely not perverted or abnormal, and definitely not in the class of pedophilia or bestiality. It is the natural order of things as found in nature and as specified by the designer if that is your leaning. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[vhawk01]

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Dear Notable Twit,

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Just because all cultures and all species do something doesn't mean it's normal or desirable behaviour.

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Maybe not desirable, but surely not perverted or abnormal, and definitely not in the class of pedophilia or bestiality. It is the natural order of things as found in nature and as specified by the designer if that is your leaning. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Wow, I just read that specific quote. Phil, do you know what normal means? If all species do it, it IS normal. It may or may not be beneficial, but it is certainly normal.

[Phil153]

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Phil, do you know what normal means? If all species do it, it IS normal. It may or may not be beneficial, but it is certainly normal.

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I don't want to get bogged down in semantics. Certain things that exist across all species are neither normal nor functional. An example is schizophrenia. Other mammals get it and it exists in every culture. Yet, most people would like to see a cure for this affliction even though it's "normal" by your definition.

Regarding my arguments - it's often stated by gays that "some members of all species exhibit homosexual behavior, therefore it must be normal and natural, and should be accepted as such". I'm simply saying that this idea is bankrupt, and the examples I gave show why.

[MidGe]

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Certain things that exist across all species are neither normal nor functional. An example is schizophrenia. Other mammals get it and it exists in every culture. Yet, most people would like to see a cure for this affliction even though it's "normal" by your definition.

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Yes and so is pancreatic cancer and a huge list of other "ailments". Any reasons the "victims" (according to you) should be discriminated against economically or legally?

Your position doesn't stand up. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[New001]

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Phil, do you know what normal means? If all species do it, it IS normal. It may or may not be beneficial, but it is certainly normal.

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I don't want to get bogged down in semantics. Certain things that exist across all species are neither normal nor functional. An example is schizophrenia. Other mammals get it and it exists in every culture. Yet, most people would like to see a cure for this affliction even though it's "normal" by your definition.

Regarding my arguments - it's often stated by gays that "some members of all species exhibit homosexual behavior, therefore it must be normal and natural, and should be accepted as such". I'm simply saying that this idea is bankrupt, and the examples I gave show why.

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Would you disagree that it is normal for some percentage of people, and as you say, other mammals, to be schizophrenic?

[vhawk01]

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Thank you for making my point. I'm trying to show that HIS comments are invalid. Just because all cultures and all species do something doesn't mean it's normal or desirable behaviour. Get it?

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You are misrepresenting the direction of the argument. YOU were the first to use that line of reasoning in condemning gay marriage as somehow analogous to bestiality. Your plan was, I assume, to draw some connection to some shocking and 'obviously abhorrent' practice or something, and therefore attack gay marriage by association. Your analogy was terrible, and my little re-enactment was aimed at that.

But you are correct, if anyone was using the idea that societies in the past have condoned or accepted homosexual activity as some sort of proof that it is a moral practice, then they were wrong. However, if they were using that as support for the idea that homosexuality has a long history in humans and is also prevalent in nature, that is NOT the same false analogy that your were employing.