SSNL [cheese] thread: JULY (nc)

ChipStorm · #1 07-05-2006, 07:40 AM

Note careful application here of the latest Sklansky/Miller concepts from NLHETAP, especially the one I'll paraphrase as "When You Have The Nuts, Push All Your Money In."

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $50.65
UTG+1: $30.55
UTG+2: $51.15
MP1: $49.50
MP2: $85.55
MP3: $19.50
Hero: $96.46
Button: $26.69
SB: $64.06
BB: $50

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($4.75, 2 players)
BB bets $2, Hero calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($8.75, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($8.75, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $46, BB calls all-in $46.

Results:
Final pot: $100.75
Hero shows Ac Jd
BB doesn't show Kd 6c

c_strong · #2 07-05-2006, 08:25 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Note careful application here of the latest Sklansky/Miller concepts from NLHETAP, especially the one I'll paraphrase as "When You Have The Nuts, Push All Your Money In."

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $50.65
UTG+1: $30.55
UTG+2: $51.15
MP1: $49.50
MP2: $85.55
MP3: $19.50
Hero: $96.46
Button: $26.69
SB: $64.06
BB: $50

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($4.75, 2 players)
BB bets $2, Hero calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($8.75, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($8.75, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $46, BB calls all-in $46.

Results:
Final pot: $100.75
Hero shows Ac Jd
BB doesn't show Kd 6c

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Nice. Why does this never work for me? Did you put him on two pair?

ChipStorm · #3 07-05-2006, 08:39 AM

Yeah, it certainly doesn't always work for me either....

My thinking was that villain was either drawing or on a completely mediocre hand, based on his line. Which means that whatever I bet, chances of just folding him out and getting nothing extra are pretty good.

So as a river for value betting, this one's probably only worth about $2, maybe $3. You bet half pot, get called some of the time but not all. But if I push, and he only calls that push a measly 5% of the time, I've done just as well.

So what the hell, in it goes. There's always that chance, however small, that villain will put you on a stone bluff, or likewise have some other stupid thought, whatever it is, that results in him calling. I was just hoping that chance was better than 5%.

An orbit or two later, I flopped a nut straight that held to the river, and with the same opponent I pushed again. He didn't call that time....

Dazarath · #4 07-05-2006, 10:12 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Note careful application here of the latest Sklansky/Miller concepts from NLHETAP, especially the one I'll paraphrase as "When You Have The Nuts, Push All Your Money In."

[/ QUOTE ]
Haha, I love it. Check this out.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP1 ($235)
MP2 ($144.50)
MP3 ($162.60)
CO ($90)
Button ($88)
SB ($198)
Hero ($200)
UTG ($208.30)
UTG+1 ($313.53)
UTG+2 ($120.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
8 folds, SB (poster) completes, Hero raises to $4, SB calls $4.

Flop: ($12) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $11, SB calls $11.

Turn: ($34) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($34) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $50, Hero calls $183 (All-In), SB calls $131 (All-In).

Final Pot: $398

Results in white below: 
SB has 8c 8h (full house, kings full of eights).
Hero has Ad Kc (four of a kind, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins $398. 

ZEEBO THEOREM'ED!

And this one... I had a read that this guy would stack off if I hit. Apparently, I was correct.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP1 ($159.23)
MP2 ($146.80)
MP3 ($170.85)
CO ($283.02)
Button ($202.10)
SB ($211.65)
Hero ($200)
UTG ($91.28)
UTG+1 ($401)
UTG+2 ($184.70)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, 8 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($5) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $4, UTG raises to $8, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($21) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $10, Hero calls $10.

River: ($41) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero calls $180 (All-In), UTG calls $71.28 (All-In).

Final Pot: $292.28

Results in white below: 
Hero has 7s Ks (flush, ace high).
UTG has Kd Ac (straight, five high).
Outcome: Hero wins $292.28. 

The funny thing is, in both of these hands, the villains insta-called. I'm sure playing the board is a great reason to call huge overbets.

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