Cheating at WSEX

[Brainwalter]

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what are the odds that wpex ends the rake-free poker once they figure out how much money they've lost to this exploit?

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Huh? WSEX hasn't lost a dime to this exploit.

Edit: No matter which way the rakeback is calculated.

[D. Andrew]

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Andrew - what do you mean -

"I am NOT going to receive any money back. Writing the original post virtually assured that."

Did they tell you paying you was somehow contingent on keeping quiet? Or are you just assuming?

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I assumed it.

[ipitythefool]

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I hope you don't get a refund, what does someone skipping the blinds have to do with you losing.......absolutely nothing. Give me a break.

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So if OP was playing 10/20 and got paid $15 for every orbit he sat in (not having to post) you don't think his bottom line would look different? You think you could beat a player that plays no risk i.e. doesn't pay blinds and can wait as long as they want for premium hands all the while collecting rake?

I can't see WPEX returning any money but it's certainly not fair.

[Benjamin]

I called a guy out at the table for exploiting this bug today. I also emailed support. Their response is below.

I busted another guy who was apparently experimenting trying to figure the exploit out. He sat in late, sat out, then every hand that was dealt he delayed the game as the system kept asking him if he wanted to post or wait til the blinds. I called him out, asked him to quit delaying the game and quit trying to exploit the bug. He left without playing.

While I hope I don't falsly accuse anyone ala Nottom's experience, I trust WPEX will exercise their judgement and nobody will be unjustly banned. This stuff has got to stop, and aggressively confronting it and reporting it is the only approach I see for those who want to play there until the software is fixed.

That said, with the lag issues that sit you out periodically, it's inevitable that people will have the appearance of purposefully exploiting it when they didn't mean to. Just speak up if that's the case and I say something.

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Thank you for contacting us.

We are awear of the issue at hand and we are working on correcting it.

We will be preforming a system maintenance next week to correct this as well as the lags.

We do appriciate you reporting the offenders and once you come accross any others in the future we would be very thankful if you would inform us as they will be dealt with severly.
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Benjamin

[Jeffage]

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We will be preforming a system maintenance next week to correct this as well as the lags.


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This is [censored]. If they really cared about the players, they would fix this bug RIGHT NOW. Not tomorrow. Not next week. Not next month. Have people work on it 24-7 and get it fixed - I understand they aren't making money, but if they allow people to continue to exploit this bug, they are basically hosting a crooked game. IMHO.

Jeff

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This is [censored]. If they really cared about the players, they would fix this bug RIGHT NOW. Not tomorrow. Not next week. Not next month.

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You've clearly never worked on software or even remotely with a software developer.

Fixing a software bug isn't like digging a hole where you can just put more people on it. It's more like solving a math proof. You take one guy and he has to think, explore, try something, try again, etc. Just finding where the problem occurs is 85% of the battle. Often the source of the bug is very distant from where the bug manifests.

You can put maybe 2 people, or 3 at the outside, on it, but after that they just get in each other's way and slow down the process.

Edit: Oh, and asking someone to work on software beyond 8-10 hours is just asking for the fix to be more buggy than the original problem. Mental exhaustion is very bad for coding. Here's where another person can help though. You transition your knowledge as best you can at the end of your day and let someone else ponder it (with the benefit of your knowlege dump) for the next 8 hours.

[Crix]

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They say they'll deal with the player and that next Wednesday they have an upgrade to close the loophole.


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What happened to "the end of the week"?

LOL.....wsex..BS.

[jfk]

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We do appriciate you reporting the offenders and once you come accross any others in the future we would be very thankful if you would inform us as they will be dealt with severly.

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...I'd really like to believe this, though the player I dropped a dime on was back playing yesterday. I went to some effort to document the cheating but apparently WPX is not taking this seriously. How "severely" could WPX have dealt with this cheater?

Anyone who was playing fairly against this the blind skippers was being cheated. The documented offenders should be banned and have their funds confiscated. It wouldn't take too much of an investigation to show that a player was deliberately abusing this system flaw.

[PLOlover]

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You've clearly never worked on software or even remotely with a software developer.

Fixing a software bug isn't like digging a hole where you can just put more people on it. It's more like solving a math proof. You take one guy and he has to think, explore, try something, try again, etc. Just finding where the problem occurs is 85% of the battle. Often the source of the bug is very distant from where the bug manifests.

You can put maybe 2 people, or 3 at the outside, on it, but after that they just get in each other's way and slow down the process.

Edit: Oh, and asking someone to work on software beyond 8-10 hours is just asking for the fix to be more buggy than the original problem. Mental exhaustion is very bad for coding. Here's where another person can help though. You transition your knowledge as best you can at the end of your day and let someone else ponder it (with the benefit of your knowlege dump) for the next 8 hours.

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Note true. It shouldn't take more than one day to disable all posting and make people start playing by posting the big blind in the big blind position.

A temporary fix, true, but better than a crooked game.

[FlFishOn]

"The part that really gets me is that the site knew of the problem. They knew players were utilizing it and yet they did nothing to stop it. They did not fix the software, they did not watch the games, and when questioned, told me they would look into it. The truth is they do not care and/or are unable/unwilling to deal with the situation. Had I not written the testy email, I would never have gotten a real response. I believe they are negligent in their responsibility to provide a fair game."

Here is a perfect example of a site cheating players, albeit indirectly. If this is not enough to open your eyes to some of the potential dangers then you are deserving of any screwing you get.