Cheating at WSEX

[Nottom]

I'd imagine you could locate legit blind-skippers by looking at pokertracker and seeing if they have less BBs than COs or Buttons

[The Truth]

This fixed now?

[grouchie]

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This fixed now?

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have you read the thread?

[D. Andrew]

First, there is an error in the original post. I made my deposit and began playing on 6/12/06 NOT 6/5/06 as originally stated.

As originally stated, I am NOT going to receive any money back. Writing the original post virtually assured that. I am not pursuing the matter with WSEX any futher. Whether I deserve to receive some back or not is certainly debatable. Your beliefs into the matter are your own, I do not wish to debate it. Hoping, or not hoping, I receive anything back changes nothing.

Coming into a game, a player is required to post a big blind. Circumventing this is cheating. You are receiving hands you are not suppose to receive. I do not see this as a grey area at all. Doing it once by mistake is excuseable; however, doing it for 2.5 hours straight is not. To the poster who was suspended without merit, I am sorry that WSEX does not have the necessary people in place to deal with this matter.

How did I not notice? I have no idea. Even when I knew something was up, it took me some time to see it exactly. I had to go back to pokertracker and look at the sequences of hands of players doing 'something'. I later confirmed it by watching actual games. Quite frankley, had there not been a single player who did it continually for 2.5 hours, I might not have noticed. In pokertracker the easiest ones to see have a few hands in multiple sessions with 0 dollars won. This is in the session notes tab. In games where the player came in and out in the same seat, you must cycle through the game in the replayer as Pokertracker tends to put them together as a single session.

I will not name any of the players. It is not my responsibility. It is not why I wrote the original post.

The part that really gets me is that the site knew of the problem. They knew players were utilizing it and yet they did nothing to stop it. They did not fix the software, they did not watch the games, and when questioned, told me they would look into it. The truth is they do not care and/or are unable/unwilling to deal with the situation. Had I not written the testy email, I would never have gotten a real response. I believe they are negligent in their responsibility to provide a fair game.

I will not be playing at WSEX again. IMO, if they are unable to do anything about such blantant cheating, they have no chance in stoping other, more subtle, forms. I believe cardrooms have a responsibility in protecting the player, in that regard WSEX has failed.

[HavanaBanana]

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I will not name any of the players. It is not my responsibility. It is not why I wrote the original post.


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By not naming the players you are condoning this cheating.

You have no right to gripe.

ToT

[Benjamin]

Yeah, in retrospect I can remember some people flitting around a partly full table the table excessively. Glad this is out in the open and that WPEX is cracking down now.

Party had a similar bug, but not as severe, where you could skip the small blind and consequently the person next to you would skip the big blind. Took them forever to fix it, if it is indeed fixed. But they would discipline people reported abusing it.

It's disappointing that WPEX didn't immediately crack down on people reported doing this, and it's disappointing that people who noticed earlier didn't publicize the problem.

It shouldn't be much of a problem now if people are aware and report abuse, and WPEX continues to crack down.

Interesting to see it so neatly proven that their rakeback is calculated on a dealt-cards even-share basis. Others had reported it, and I confirmed it myself, but not so neatly, heh.

B.

[GT123]

I remember my first bonus whoring site The Gaming club. I used to get so irritated when these cheap asses constantly sat out when thier blinds came, and then sat back in. Had no idea they were exploiting a bug. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

[LinusKS]

Andrew - what do you mean -

"I am NOT going to receive any money back. Writing the original post virtually assured that."

Did they tell you paying you was somehow contingent on keeping quiet? Or are you just assuming?

[mdrudeen]

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The part that really gets me is that the site knew of the problem. They knew players were utilizing it and yet they did nothing to stop it.

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wait, in all fairness they are actually fixing the software, they are just not doing it fast enough for you

[five4suited]

what are the odds that wpex ends the rake-free poker once they figure out how much money they've lost to this exploit?