Please slam me for taking bizarre, weak-tight lines with TPTK

[goofyballer]

So far your blows have glanced off my pride without kinking my armor, TRY HARDER!!

Retarded river bet sizes was a start. I guess I was trying to bet small enough to ensure calls from a wide range of hands...do you think that range drops much as I go from a 1/3 pot value bet to 2/3? It's probably bad that I've been playing for awhile and still don't know that. Most of these hands make me barf on the turn, not the river.

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ps enjoyed the vid on pokeravi

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Thanks [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[goofyballer]

Here's an example of what I'm talking about: The last hand isn't necessarily a WA/WB situation, and when villain has a WA/WB type hand (a set, two pair, one pair) I'm WA of one pair a lot more than I'm WB something else. I have to protect against QT and get value when I'm ahead. If I get check-raised here, I'm almost never ahead, and I can just let go of my hand having lost the same amount as I would have by checking behind and calling his river bet, but without gaining the value of collecting two bets when I'm ahead. This is why I barf when I look at the turn. It's criminal to check behind there.

btw, I won that hand.

[xwillience]

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Retarded river bet sizes was a start. I guess I was trying to bet small enough to ensure calls from a wide range of hands...do you think that range drops much as I go from a 1/3 pot value bet to 2/3? It's probably bad that I've been playing for awhile and still don't know that. Most of these hands make me barf on the turn, not the river.


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yes, of course the call less onthe river when you bet more. But you still make more money. Refer to Isura's Blog about river bet sizes if you dont have NLH:TAP yet.

About the turn. Im betting a lot of those. I did this phase last week where i was checking for pot control every other hand. But I posted a real hand here that I thought i mis played and several people (including you i think) reassured me that pot control isnt always right. bet for value the whole way down. sometimes stacking a guy bit by bit on each street is okay with TPGK. Its all about the villian.

[Slap My Jack]

Hand 1: We're in position, We just picked up a club draw to the nuts, I'm betting this turn strongly.

As played, checking behind on this river isn't bad. A flush checkraises here and we fold. But he might be scared of the third heart too, and I put in a stronger bet to represent the flush if I feel beat.


Hand 2: Your betting here seems to allow for loose calls, especially on the turn. (showing the check behind on the river shows us the results of the hand basically---no trips for villain.)

Hand 3: 3-way pot, I don't want any loose calls here. I think I bet more. Board is relatively dry, so I don't mind a larger pot. Bet turn.

Hand 4: Not sure. I tend to pot all flops against total calling stations. Makes the process of THEIR STACK ---> MY STACK go much quicker.

Hand 5: If he's calling this turn everytime, pot it. You have trips top kicker. Pot the flop too.


Hand 6: I get paranoid when the bottom pairs out with a calling station on board as well, but you kept up the aggression, hopefully you won that one. The only hand that beats you that doesn't possibly raise you is AQ.

Hand 7: Bloated pot, I think I unfortunately act the same way. It really depends on the villain. I bet this turn and check behind the river if he seems like a decent player.



Overall, at tables where you're getting 2-3 callers everytime, raise more than 3 or 3.5 and see if that cuts down any.

Might want to decrease your tables by at least two.

And, consider dropping down in the stakes if you're feeling weaktight so you can practice with more aggression with less money at risk.

But, yeah, you [censored] weaktight nit. Do you need [censored] quads before you get it all-in on the turn?

[Ratamahatta]

I would like to hear what some of the elite on this forum have to say about op's play because I would play most of this hand almost the same way.

[Mal_Pais]

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I would like to hear what some of the elite on this forum have to say about op's play because I would play most of this hand almost the same way.

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Me too. I see a few missed value bets, but these were all one pair hands. Small hands, small pots. And I guessing you won most of them.

edit: just looking back again:

Hand 1: I'm betting the turn and checking the river.

Hand 2: I like checking here OOP, give him a chance to bluff and you can call a reasonable bet.

Hand 3: Looks OK.

Hand 4: Keeping it small. I like the blocker on the river.

Hand 5: Stack him. Lead the turn, check-raise the turn, pot the river, just bet, bet, let's build a pot. Let him do his thing. His thing is to call.

Hand 6: Looks OK.

Hand 7: He's likely to have a J or a weaker K. I call here too.

[sdunsmb]

WEak-tight is definately the right term, but there is nothing I hate too much about your play, especially at SSNL. I have to say the turn check in hand 1 is by the far worst piece of action here.