Interesting 20 Hand Against Pro

[Michael Davis]

I learned something today. Thanks.

-Michael

[gaming_mouse]

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I learned something today. Thanks.

-Michael

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[Gildwulf]

Just to recap:

Vs. a very solid player who is an expert handreader...

1) C/C sucks here because he knows you are calling with Ace high so his bet will most likely be for value if he does bet.

2) This is why C/F is better than C/C (he won't be betting a worse ace for reasons mentioned above)

3) A solid tricky player will be bluffraising here a reasonable amount of the time to make B/F a non-optimal option (although a standard TAG line)

4) Bet/call is the best of all choices simply because opponent thinks you think he will only raise with hands that beat ace high and, therefore, that you will take the standard b/f line.

Edit: actually c/f is probably worse than C/C

[TomBrooks]

Villain could have A8, A7, K8, K7, maybe T8 or J8s. He figures you could have A9 and may want to avoid getting c/r'd on the turn. His river raise makes me put him on an 8.

If you want to protect against a possible steal from a weaker Ace or K-something, I could see check/call. Betting and getting raised here sux. I don't think your good often enough to call although you might be good occassionally. I'd rather not put myself in that position.

[gaming_mouse]

Jeff,

Just to clarify this concept, could you describe what kind of opponents you would c/call, bet/fold, and c/fold against?

[Hock_]

Turn play is quite bad -- you just can't give a free card on such a coordinated board. Bet the turn and fold to a raise.

I don't know how Brocathmel does in the 20 game, but he's a pretty big loser in the 30 and, IMHO, his lack of success is pretty much commensurate with his playing ability. He's also been getting more timid postflop recently (at least against me), which leads me to think that the call of his river raise is probably not the right play.

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

I'm not sure that this particular opponent is not stupid enough to bet the river when you check.

[Victor]

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I'm not sure that this particular opponent is not stupid enough to bet the river when you check.

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haha. really, when did broca become an expert?

[gaming_mouse]

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Turn play is quite bad -- you just can't give a free card on such a coordinated board. Bet the turn and fold to a raise.

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Isn't such a coordinated board the perfect spot for a semibluff?

[redrooski24]

I'm gonna say broca checks behind on this turn with any pair about 0% of the time. I like your line.