Ultimatebet stole $21000 from me

[kslghost]

Finlanders working together to fraud UB? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Just playing :P

[mrLite]

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I'm pretty sure that OP is not a troll. He is a finnish pro player and has also posted this to one finnish forum. He said that he has contacted UB to get HHs but haven't got any responses.

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[kotkis]

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I'm pretty sure that OP is not a troll. He is a finnish pro player and has also posted this to one finnish forum. He said that he has contacted UB to get HHs but haven't got any responses.

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[dlk9s]

I should be a pro player. I can remember my usernames and passwords. That already puts me ahead of OP.

[Punker]

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There was couple bad players, but I won 2k or little more from only 1 person.

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Four accounts that have used stolen credit cards have participated in games ONLY with you and lost mainly to you

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So, either you are lying or UB is lying. I don't think anyone here has any particular ability to judge who is correct unless UB is willing to post hand histories.

[ITILTEZ]

Punker, I dont know how those close each other out. I won over 2k from one guy. According UB I have won something from 4 cheaters, they dont specify how much.
I have asked 2 times them to give me details today, they still ignore the request.
Which is weird, because if they show the water proof evidence this case is over. However the thing is they can't do it as I'm not a scammer.

[Wires]

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Can't everyone tell? This didn't happen to him and is all made up.

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I don't believe he is innocent at all.

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Shouldn't his guilt/innocence be irrelevant if the original story is fabricated as per your initial allegation?

You can't even remain consistent in your defamation.

Troll.

[Tachyon]

If you truly are innocent ask for an appeal of the decision to be carried out by senior management. Advise them that if they do not then you will be forced to report them to the gaming commission.

You are in an akward situation though. You are a new player to their site (i.e. have no playing history with them), and a bunch of fraudulent accounts happen to lose a bunch of money into your account. You can understand why they might think that you are the bag-man in such a scenario.

As such proving your innocence may be very tricky for you, however likewise they may not be able to conclusively prove your guilt. The bottom line is that they have a bunch of fraudulent deposits and those funds are in your account.

Assuming you won the bulk of the $21k against legitimate other players then I don't see that they can withold those funds from you unless they can prove conclusively that you were involved in the credit card fraud -- all they have is circumstantial evidence...

I would be asking them to either

1) Prove conclusively that you are a fraud
2) Release at a bear minimum the funds that you legitimately won from the other players

GL with this and keep us posted.

John

[MicroBob]

They should also be able to provide him with all the HH's as well as the names of the players who they believe he was colluding with.

They should also be able to tell him exactly how much he won from each of those colluders.

Still a chance that he happened to sit-in with a team of colluders and just happened to beat them.
Seriously, I can see how this could happen.

3 or 4 guys team-up with some stolen credit-cards or whatever (or 1 guy with multiple accounts and/or computers). But they happen to be sucky poker-players who all lost some dough to a half-decent player who had no awareness that he was playing against a team.

[o0mr_bill0o]

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You: [ QUOTE ]
There was couple bad players, but I won 2k or little more from only 1 person.

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Four accounts that have used stolen credit cards have participated in games ONLY with you and lost mainly to you

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So, either you are lying or UB is lying. I don't think anyone here has any particular ability to judge who is correct unless UB is willing to post hand histories.

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those two statements are not mutually exclusive. it's possible the other three lost less than 2k.