No Maroon love

[TheMaroon]

Umm, no. I'm reading the emails right now, which I have a complete archive of thanks to Google Desktop. You offered to escrow $20k with any regular poster on here. I don't know any of them, and even if I did it was a wager that could have reached as high as $250k.

There's a pretty large difference between "let's make a bet, we'll escrow the entire wager with a reputable firm" and "let's make a wager and escrow 10% of it with this guy I know". Hence the silliness.

You're just another clown who has nothing better to do than spend his entire day here engaging in dick measuring contests.

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Maroon,

Yes, that is correct. You made some claims that were absurd and thus I offered to crossbook against you. As I always do in such situations when there's an outrageously profitable opportunity, I offered to escrow the money w/ a reputable firm and pay all fees, so the not having money part does not apply at all. If you can dig up whatever that wager was, I'll likely happily offer it again, whatever it was (I believe it was something like you making more money 2-tabling than me 4-tabling the same stakes or something like that). And if you'd like to up the stakes, I'll match any amount you're willing to escrow against the wager. I'd also be willing to wager that I've been involved in many individual transactions that are all greater in size than the entire amount of money you've made over your total poker career if you're looking for more wagers.

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[AJackson]

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Why does The Poker Chronicles' Matt Maroon hate 2+2 so much?

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Hate is strong word. Asking why Matt treats 2+2ers like an unwanted step child is probably more accurate.

In a nutshell, he does it because you guys react.

[El Diablo]

Maroon,

Would you like to do the wager? If it's similar to what I recall it being in my post above, I'm game.

If so, please dig it up and we can escrow as much as you want with any insurer. BTW, at the time I was under the impression you were friends w/ 2+2 regulars who were also bloggers like Felicia Lee. Given that top cash and tourney players from UB, Stars, Party, and Prima as well as many live cash and tourney players are all regulars here, I find it quite surprising that you don't know any of them.

I don't recall what the bet was exactly, but if you think $250k needs to be escrowed, let's do it bigshot.

[TheMaroon]

SSSSHHHHHHH!

[TheMaroon]

Again with the dick measuring. Challenging people who play stakes of $30/$60-$50/$100 to $250k waqers could serve no other purpose. If I were comfortable gambling a quarter mil on a risky proposition (I think I have a slightly positive EV) I probably would be playing bigger, and that is obvious to everyone. Therefore you either made the challenge out of stupidity or to satisfy your ego by flaunting your alleged wealth. I'll give you some credit and chalk it up to the latter, though it's perhaps more pathetic than the former.
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Maroon,

Would you like to do the wager? If it's similar to what I recall it being in my post above, I'm game.

If so, please dig it up and we can escrow as much as you want with any insurer.

I don't recall what the bet was exactly, but if you think $250k needs to be escrowed, let's do it bigshot.

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[uDevil]

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There really aren't that many benefits to being an author, or at least a poker one. It's fairly meaningless. Saying "I wrote a poker book" is about as meaningful as saying "I won a WPT event", but with a substantially lower cash prize.

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Despite that, many seemingly very successful players (Daniel Negreanu, Doyle Brunson, Barry Greenstein, and you yourself) have written books or have one in the works. There must be some attraction.

BTW, have you published corrections of the errors you mentioned? Or are these the kind of errors I could easily spot myself?

[El Diablo]

Maroon,

Let me restate things for you simply.

The wager, as I recall it, was basically free money for me. I would appreciate you reposting it here so I can see what it was and whether my recollection of it is somewhat accurate.

I did not recall it being anywhere near the scale that you say it was, but perhaps it was. You complained that I was not willing to escrow enough money. If it was that big and you wanted to go through with it, I'm happy to escrow the money.

If you would like to make the bet, it can easily be scaled down to whatever amount you would want.

My point in making the offer was not to flaunt anything, it was to make one simple point. You had made a ludicrous statement and I was calling you on it, willing to back up my statement with a wager at whatever stkaes work for you. Simple as that.

[FeliciaLee]

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BTW, at the time I was under the impression you were friends w/ 2+2 regulars who were also bloggers like Felicia Lee.

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I do know Matt in real life. And I do think that the person who has hit the nail closest to the head is Mr. Jackson [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

FWIW, those who have read Matt extensively are ignoring the fact that he has said 2+2 (as a poker advice and information forum) is the best thing out there, for what it's worth. He may not like the mentality, but he admits that for a "poker forum" there is none better. Most people read what they want to read when they go to Matt's site, not always what he says. While he never shies away from boasting about his plays and wins, he also doesn't hesitate to admit when he's wrong.

I get the same feedback. People simply read what they want to read, not what is necessarily being said.

Felicia [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[UpstateMatt]

I'm going to concur with Felicia and back Matt on this one. I'm a long-time lurker on 2+2 and a long-time reader of Matt's blog. It's not like Matt spends his day trolling 2+2 and ripping on people with ridiculous, made-up accusations. He really only ever mentions 2+2 on his blog when:

1)someone is playing the "recommended" 2+2 stats for short-handed holdem and Matt is talking about how to exploit that style

or

2)Someone here decides to rip on him and he thinks it would be funny to get a rise out of them. For instance, read all of this post.

And let's be honest - Matt may be guilty of a blunt style, but a lot of his criticism of 2+2 is both true and worth considering, espeically his objection to the way consensus tends to form here and dissenting opinions are mocked.

Just my $.02

matt

[bobbyi]

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He really only ever mentions 2+2 on his blog when:

1)someone is playing the "recommended" 2+2 stats for short-handed holdem and Matt is talking about how to exploit that style

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Does anyone have a link to an entry like this? I would be interested in seeing it. This thread has led me to going through the blog archives, but I'm certainly not intending to read all of the entries.