I stepped in buffaloo poo...

[Woolygimp]

Villain is standard $200 NL donk. Comments on all streets are welcome. I think I should've folded the flop with the second villain behind me, but I was looking for another club and re-evaluate the turn.

I didn't think villain had an ace, possibly KK/QQ/JJ.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB ($181.70)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($279.60)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($343.90)</font>
MP ($289.85)
Button ($272.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $8, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $22</font>, Hero calls $16, Button calls $16.

Flop: ($73) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $50</font>, Hero calls $50, Button folds.

Turn: ($173) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($173) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB calls $205.60 (All-In), Hero ???

[Fish R Friends]

Bet the turn. Fold to a c/r.

Call river as played.

[Woolygimp]

Why bet the turn? I'm only getting called by a hand that beats me, and I have a good draw. I wasn't THAT sure he had KK.

He could very well have Ax and be scared of the clubs, but not scared enough to fold.

Anything think this river bet is anything BUT the nuts? Unless he's completely bluffing... which I don't think he'd do with a set of jacks/Ax/AA because those hands all have showdown value. Basically either the river gave him the nuts, or he's got a decent hand that he'd check to me on the river with.

[-Skeme-]

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and I have a good draw.

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And you hit this so called "good" draw, so what's the problem?

[Woolygimp]

I think this river is a fold.

[krishan]

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Bet the turn. Fold to a c/r.


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I hate it. He is giving you a free card, take it.

Krishan

[krishan]

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I think this river is a fold.

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I don't see how he gets to the river with the Kc after the turn check. I call the river but I could definitely be missing something.

Krishan

[Woolygimp]

So assuming I called the river... Is this just a trap hand that I played as well as I could -OR- is there a more optimal way to play this?

[supercomputer]

The way I look at this situation is like this: Many players will go all-in no matter what here. Scare card + pot as big as my remaining stack + likelihood you don't have a big club = all-in. For all the baby flushes I have to fold in these situations, I am calling when I have the queen here.

[-Skeme-]

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I think this river is a fold.

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What happened to your "good" draw?


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don't see how he gets to the river with the Kc after the turn check. I call the river but I could definitely be missing something.

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K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Anyway, this isn't the flop to float on. I fold flop.