Omnipotence Doesn't Imply Seeing The Future.

[soon2bepro]

As I said, you don't know what logic is. I'll try to define it for you:

Logic is the process through which we understand how reality works. It's the process of cause-consecuence (causality). In other words: "If A, then B."


Some explanation (for the other readers mostly):

Whether your particular reasoning guides you to conclude that a virgin can't give birth or whatever other miracles out there "can't happen" (that they happened in a way that is not logical) is irrelevant. You merely don't understand why these things happened, but if you were to understand them, you'd need logic. You're using logic when you say "God made this happen, that is why this happened".

Every reasoning, every human understanding of reality is logical. Of course, how you apply that logic is what turns some conclusion to be scientifically/rationally correct or not; but all are logical. All are based in logic.

[hashi92]

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As I said, you don't know what logic is. I'll try to define it for you:

Logic is the process through which we understand how reality works. It's the process of cause-consecuence (causality). In other words: "If A, then B."


Some explanation (for the other readers mostly):

Whether your particular reasoning guides you to conclude that a virgin can't give birth or whatever other miracles out there "can't happen" (that they happened in a way that is not logical) is irrelevant. You merely don't understand why these things happened, but if you were to understand them, you'd need logic. You're using logic when you say "God made this happen, that is why this happened".

Every reasoning, every human understanding of reality is logical. Of course, how you apply that logic is what turns some conclusion to be scientifically/rationally correct or not; but all are logical. All are based in logic.

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can you logically explain to me how these things happened. for instance the virgin birth. An answer like God or the bible says it does is not logical because theres no reasoning behind it.

[hashi92]

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As I said, you don't know what logic is. I'll try to define it for you:

Logic is the process through which we understand how reality works. It's the process of cause-consecuence (causality). In other words: "If A, then B."


Some explanation (for the other readers mostly):

Whether your particular reasoning guides you to conclude that a virgin can't give birth or whatever other miracles out there "can't happen" (that they happened in a way that is not logical) is irrelevant. You merely don't understand why these things happened, but if you were to understand them, you'd need logic. You're using logic when you say "God made this happen, that is why this happened".

Every reasoning, every human understanding of reality is logical. Of course, how you apply that logic is what turns some conclusion to be scientifically/rationally correct or not; but all are logical. All are based in logic.

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i agree with your definition of logic but if you cant explain why A than B the idea is illogical. if you can explain it then it becomes logical. can you explain how jesus made water become wine logically.

[hashi92]

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As I said, you don't know what logic is. I'll try to define it for you:

Logic is the process through which we understand how reality works. It's the process of cause-consecuence (causality). In other words: "If A, then B."


Some explanation (for the other readers mostly):

Whether your particular reasoning guides you to conclude that a virgin can't give birth or whatever other miracles out there "can't happen" (that they happened in a way that is not logical) is irrelevant. You merely don't understand why these things happened, but if you were to understand them, you'd need logic. You're using logic when you say "God made this happen, that is why this happened".

Every reasoning, every human understanding of reality is logical. Of course, how you apply that logic is what turns some conclusion to be scientifically/rationally correct or not; but all are logical. All are based in logic.

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log·i·cal ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lj-kl)
adj.
Of, relating to, in accordance with, or of the nature of logic.
Based on earlier or otherwise known statements, events, or conditions; reasonable: Rain was a logical expectation, given the time of year.
Reasoning or capable of reasoning in a clear and consistent manner.

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logi·cali·ty (-kl-t) or logi·cal·ness n.
logi·cal·ly adv.
Synonyms: logical, analytic, ratiocinative, rational
These adjectives mean capable of or reflecting the capability for correct and valid reasoning: a logical mind; an analytic thinker; the ratiocinative process; a rational being.
Antonyms: illogical

[soon2bepro]

Whether I can produce a scientifically correct argument or not makes no difference to the matter (if there's logic in it or not).

I'll agree that when people refer to something as "logical" or "illogical" what they're actually saying is whether that is scientifically correct or not; or maybe even "logically correct" or not [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

But if you use my definition of logic, there is no argument, no explanation, no reasoning, no concept that doesn't use logic as it's method.

That doesn't mean, however, that they're all scientifically/logically/rationally correct.

Neither does that mean that everything does in fact work with logic. Only that we can only comprehend things that do. (and therefore, for practical purposes, we must assume that everyhing does)

What I want you to understand, is that when someone says: "*This* (B) happened because *God did it* (A)", he's using logic to explain why that happened.

You can then ask how God did it, demand an explanation or whatever. You can question the credibility, the reasoning behind that argument. You can even deem it as a fairy tale. It will nonetheless be an argument based in logic.

I can say: "*The mountains on earth are high* (B) because *there's a very small organism in tokio called kiku that likes to fly around and sing metallica songs* (A)"

Does that make any sense to you? No, it doesn't. But it's still based in human logic.

[hashi92]

What I want you to understand, is that when someone says: "*This* (B) happened because *God did it* (A)", he's using logic to explain why that happened.

do you really believe this. would you say its logical if i said this (B) happened because *santa claus* (A).

[hashi92]

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As I said, you don't know what logic is. I'll try to define it for you:

Logic is the process through which we understand how reality works. It's the process of cause-consecuence (causality). In other words: "If A, then B."


Some explanation (for the other readers mostly):

Whether your particular reasoning guides you to conclude that a virgin can't give birth or whatever other miracles out there "can't happen" (that they happened in a way that is not logical) is irrelevant. You merely don't understand why these things happened, but if you were to understand them, you'd need logic. You're using logic when you say "God made this happen, that is why this happened".

Every reasoning, every human understanding of reality is logical. Of course, how you apply that logic is what turns some conclusion to be scientifically/rationally correct or not; but all are logical. All are based in logic.

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5 entries found for REALITY.
re·al·i·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-l-t)
n. pl. re·al·i·ties
The quality or state of being actual or true.
One, such as a person, an entity, or an event, that is actual: “the weight of history and political realities” (Benno C. Schmidt, Jr.).
The totality of all things possessing actuality, existence, or essence.
That which exists objectively and in fact: Your observations do not seem to be about reality.

Idiom:
in reality


your own definition implies that logic should be based on something factual instead of heresay (God said).