common situation that i f'ed up royally

[aba20]

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fold preflop

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i guess ignore preflop unless you don't think it's bad

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fwiw if i knew how to play this game i think i could turn a profit with this hand. i know i'm completely clueless in NL, but i sense a lack of creativity around here.

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I agree that creativity is important, but playing suited connectors out of position is not profitable for even the best of players. True at this level you may beable to turn a small profit but once you more to where your opponents are decent playing crap like this out of position is going to cost you alot. On the button, a call is still marginal but defenitly something that I would do on occasion to mix up my game. I think you may underestimate the value of position in no limit holdem.

Edit: Didn't see that it was a minraise, but hopefully you can apply my comments to a 3xBB+ raise and gain something from them. I also fold to a min raise OOP unless I have a good read on my opponent, but calling a minraise would be ok if he had a fullstack, but short it just isn't going to be profitable.

[felson]

josh,

i just wanted to say how much better your current avatar is, than the one you had years ago of the guy with crack on his lips.

[klonpucko]

josh, i was just wondering what's up with all the limit players that has arrived recently. is it just a coincidence or did everyone get convinced by the sick graphs NL-guys post in BBV?

[yvesaint]

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a c/r on the flop basically shuts out all hands you beat, except for a few that are probably drawing very live.

consider c/calling flop. easiest play would be to lead it, but i like c/calling here bettter

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ok so i check call flop and the pot is 90. he has 165 left. do i now check-fold?

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depends on the turn. sometimes ill bet out a heart. a blank ill probably check. if its a J or an 8 i might lead weak. sometimes i check-fold an A or a K.

[mperich]

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i sense a lack of creativity around here.

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Josh: how creative can we get with 33bb OOP with a suited 2 gapper.

As for the hand, its a crappy spot. I think I like check call on flop as well and probably cr turn.

-Mike

[Chris Daddy Cool]

hi josh p,

i know i am guilty of making this call preflop cuz seeing flops is fun, but you ought to fold, even if it is a stupid little minraise.

i would checkcall the flop and lead out most turns.

once you checkraise to 100 on this flop obviously you see it all the way through.

[ArturiusX]

Josh,

You seem to be clutching to 'creativity' in this NL game. Since limit was such a grind, I think you're latching on this chance to be different and enterprising, thinking its your chance to show the world or something.

Thats all well and good, but honestly, play cookie cutter poker now and worry about that later. And if you're going to be creative, float or something, not this.

[Josh.]

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Josh,

You seem to be clutching to 'creativity' in this NL game. Since limit was such a grind, I think you're latching on this chance to be different and enterprising, thinking its your chance to show the world or something.

Thats all well and good, but honestly, play cookie cutter poker now and worry about that later. And if you're going to be creative, float or something, not this.

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first of all, sorry that all my threads are bumped up. but ty chris l. for helping.

also, i don't agree with the first paragraph. i was a very creative limit player, because i knew my fundamentals and was a great hand and board reader. i think my problem is i try to do unconventional stuff since i was so used to doing it in limit. but i've gotten a lot better at NL. sticking more to the basics for now, though. interestingly though, some of the unconventional limit stuff like when to not continuation bet on the flop and tricky check-behinds/slowplays are commonplace in NL and seem to be very important. it's just the checkraising that i had to cut out a lot.

the most interesting difference i've found between limit and no limit is that in NL you have to really work and think hard at making your opponents make mistakes, and the types of mistakes are all different. at limit, you make a read and play accordingly. it seems like at NL, there are several +EV ways to play a hand, whereas in limit there's usually one clearly best play, or several mediocre options (and play in those mediocre situations is a huge factor in success).

i know no one cares. i have no blog so i write down my feelings on stuff here

[GOD et_al]

Hi Josh,

What was the reason you didn't believe his c/r on the flop?

what did you consider his range raising preflop? Do you really rule out 99+ that easy?

Also: I can understand you're playing this hand PF and take a shot, although its tough to play this drawing hand OOP.

I think you would need a better flop to push this so hard. (unless you would have a real good read on vilain?)