Omnipotence Doesn't Imply Seeing The Future.

[hashi92]

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guesswest: Omnipotence doesn't mean power above and beyond the constraints of logic. It could mean that, but it's not the meaning we're giving it. What we're saying (at least what i'm saying) is that omnipotence is power over all things logical. (I assume the universe worlks only logically, as I as a human being can't understand any other type of method)

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It's what a number of people on this thread were proposing. I'd say both definitions of the word are reasonable. I was just meaning to say that mixing and matching them doesn't work, if you take the literalist approach the topic doesn't lend itself to debate since logic is how we conduct debate. So you either have to say omnipotence functions within the parameters of logic, and we can discuss this, or say it doesn't, and write it off as unknowable. To say true omnipotence has no constraints whatsoever is reasonable, but you can't then use logic to infer or assert anything at all from that because the premise is logically non-sensical.

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how is it illogical to say that someone who is all powerful can do something that is beyond logic. the whole idea of all powerful defies logic in the first place. but that is the definition. this is why there are so many religons people interpret things to fit their beliefs. if you look in the dictionary its right there in black and white.