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Old 01-10-2006, 12:55 PM
elmitchbo elmitchbo is offline
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Default a bust out hand... sometimes pot odds won\'t cooperate

this hand is bugging me a bit. i prefer to bust out on a hand where i know i played it right, or i know i played it wrong. thsi hand is somewhere inbetween. i think villain and i both made valid, if not correct plays, and it just came down to who caught cards. not my favorite situation, but it migth have been unavoidable. is there better line here?

blinds are 100/200. down to 16 players i think. stacks @ my table range from $1190 to $9275. i have $2765 after posting the BB. UTG has $7000+. button has $5000+.

UTG calls 200. button calls 200. i look down at AsJs. i raise to 600. both players call.

flop comes A J 7 all clubs.

ugh. now what? i don't thnk i can get away from top two here and leave myself with an M of 7.5. the stack sizes and the pot size don't seem to yield a good play. the pot is roughly $1900, and i have $2365 behind. a CB would cost me almost a third of my stack, and gives both players 3 to 1. if i push i give both players 2 to 1 to see 2 cards. i don't have enough chips to move anyone off with a check raise. checking top 2 pair and giving a free card here doesn't seem smart at all.

anyway... i push, UTG calls, and button folds. he shows AdQc. turn is a blank and the river is 8c. out in 16th.

villain had top pair, the 2nd nut flush draw, and three good Q's. he had to call. if i check, he bets out for sure and i have to call or push the rest in with top 2 and 4 outs to fill up against the flush.

is there any clever play to make here, or is it just a situation where the odds are pretty even and both players are getting what they need?

as a side note... anybody think allin preflop is the way to go? with an M of 10 i usually don't like that move, but AJs out of position against two callers with big stacks??? is that the kind of move i'm going to read about in KP?
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Old 01-10-2006, 01:07 PM
seke2 seke2 is offline
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Default Re: a bust out hand... sometimes pot odds won\'t cooperate

No. This played out exactly like it "should" have. You took a good line. Villain had top pair with 2nd nut flush draw and possible overcards to someone else's two pair with AJ/A7. There's nothing really clever you could have or should have done here. Any bet you could have made or any deception play you could have made would have been irrelevant.

When the money went in, you were a slight favorite. If you hadn't bet the flop, he almost surely would have, you'd have pushed back all-in, and he'd have called. If for some reason he didn't bet the flop, and the turn bricked, you could have pushed the turn and denied him calling odds.
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