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Old 04-25-2006, 08:57 AM
Str8Fish Str8Fish is offline
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Default Re: I hate it when people limp RR (AQo 1/2 party)

12.5:2 = 6.25:1 that you hit a Q,A on turn.

JJ = winning
QQ = screwed
KK = you have 2 outs to Q's, 3 outs to A
AA = you have 2 outs to Q's

[AA,KK]
16.32% equity according to pokerstove.
EV(call)= 16.32%*12.5SB - 83.68%*2SB = +0.3664SB
EV(raise)= 16.32%*12.5SB - 83.68%*3SB = -0.47SB

[QQ-AA]
14.7% equity
EV(call)= 14.7%*12.5SB - 85.3%*2SB = +0.1315SB
EV(raise)= 14.7%*12.5SB - 85.3%*3SB = -0.7215SB

[JJ-AA]
42.2% equity
EV(call)= 42.2%*12.5SB - 57.8%*2SB = +4.12SB
EV(raise)= 42.2%*12.5SB - 57.8%*3SB = +3.54SB

So for every case, raising is definitely out and folding is definitely out. I would call.
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Old 04-25-2006, 01:05 PM
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Default Re: I hate it when people limp RR (AQo 1/2 party)

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12.5:2 = 6.25:1 that you hit a Q,A on turn.

JJ = winning
QQ = screwed
KK = you have 2 outs to Q's, 3 outs to A
AA = you have 2 outs to Q's

[AA,KK]
16.32% equity according to pokerstove.
EV(call)= 16.32%*12.5SB - 83.68%*2SB = +0.3664SB
EV(raise)= 16.32%*12.5SB - 83.68%*3SB = -0.47SB

[QQ-AA]
14.7% equity
EV(call)= 14.7%*12.5SB - 85.3%*2SB = +0.1315SB
EV(raise)= 14.7%*12.5SB - 85.3%*3SB = -0.7215SB

[JJ-AA]
42.2% equity
EV(call)= 42.2%*12.5SB - 57.8%*2SB = +4.12SB
EV(raise)= 42.2%*12.5SB - 57.8%*3SB = +3.54SB

So for every case, raising is definitely out and folding is definitely out. I would call.

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This doesn't give an accurate picture of the EV. If you hit your "outs" i.e. your A or Q....you have to put in another two big bets to showdown.....and still have a loss against AA. You can't use the equity calculations of Poker Stove (which go to showdown) to compute an EV for the turn.
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