poker tracker ruining online poker

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Poker tracker is ruining online poker, people are no longer playing poker they are dong their math homework. Lets not even mention how badly it slows down the game. The main point is not the time is the fact that players that use this have an unfair advantage against players that do not use the tracker. Shouldnt this be banned ? Please post your thoughts

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Looks like you make two points. 1. PT is ruinning online poker. 2. Pokertracker gives some players an unfair advantage and should be banned.

1. I don't see any evidence that online poker has been ruined. Is it currently being ruined? I don't see any evidence that of that either. Even if your premise is that players are now doing their math instead of "playing poker", whatever that means, I don't see how that equates into ruin. I suppose your point is the games are less juicy, but that's a far cry from ruin. Online poker is in fact incredibly healthy, and absent a govenrment assault on online poker I don't see anything that would change that.

2. Does PT give players an unfair advantage. Assuming for the sake of argument that PT does, in fact, give players an advantage over those who don't use it, I don't see this as an unfair advantage. The same effect can be done with free programs or without anything more complicated than excell.

Online poker has many differences from live poker and this is simply one of them. I know many players want online poker to simulate live poker as exactly as possible, but this seems like a silly attititude to me.

As long as the sites are willing to send us hand histories, the smart player will take advantage of that. There have always been players who will use all the tools within the rules to advance their game, and those who will not. The difference between such playes does not add up to "unfair".

PT should not be banned.

[Dak18]

Just curious, what are some of the more popular sites that do not allow PT?

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people are no longer playing poker they are dong their math homework.

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I'm not sure what that means.

As far as PT being an advantage to the players that use it, I agree it is an advantage. I don't think it's unfair though. PT is readily available to everyone at a reasonable price, or free if you investigate just a bit. If someone chooses to not use PT, it's their decision, albeit a poor one, IMO.

Using the logic in the OP, one could make the argument that reading instructional books is an unfair advantage. Some people just don't want to take the time to read, so anyone who does is decreasing their learning curve, thereby gaining an advantage.

PT and Poker Office are programs that will help online poker, because they allow the casual player to be more competetive. The more skilled players will continue to win, but at least the fish will be more competetive.

[Petomane]

PT has been around for ages and it hasn't ruined anything.

If you're going to play online, you have to use online tools. It's not like PT is available to the select few.

PT is invaluable in analyzing your own game, more so than other people's.

How many B&M players have statistics for the last 500,000 hands they played? (if they ever played that many) I think playing in a B&M is a disadvantage, just because you can't review your progress or lack thereof.

PT teaches you about the swingy nature of poker, about running well & running badly.

I find that I can't discuss poker with my B&M friends anymore. They boast about their incredible win rate for the past year (30,000 hands?) and they think it's going to stay that way. I can look at my stats and know I've been getting more than my share of good cards and it can't possibly stay that way.

I don't use PT while playing, because it's a distraction. Players who rely on PT too much during the game can't read their opponents as well.

I find that players change for the better or worse and in many cases, more than one person uses the same account. So you're better off observing the here and now, not past actions.

Relying heavily on PT doesn't necessarily make you play well.

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Just curious, what are some of the more popular sites that do not allow PT?

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pokerroom doesnt support it in tournies fwiw.

[irish79]

Did you really just come to 2+2 to complain about Poker Tracker? Let the onslaught begin!

[lefty rosen]

Yes for the sites, for the rounder it's like saying the pack day middle age guy with a 40 pound water gut is incredibly healthy......... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

[mikeyp]

Just because someone has pokertracker doesnt mean that they use it properly or to its full potential.

[zach383z]

You are obviously NOT an online pro, and if you are, i doubt you make any serious money. I would guess that 90% of online pros have and utilize PT. PT is nothing but a bunch of stats, you gain these stats by playing with these players just like gaining reads, then you use the stats just as you use reads.

I agree, you are dumb

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