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[ QUOTE ] i meant.. if we assume (and there is for this arguments sake) that there is a God and he takes ur life (noahs arks flood, 10 commandments or at any other point in the Bible where it says God killed someone, then we have to assume there is no free will. If God is standing on the outside looking in at our choices that is fine. But as soon as he influences our choices (by him killing us) we no longer have a choice. -- Basically I was just saying what i said in a previous post. I know Bunny said we have only so long to make our choices and then God can interact but i think its still not free will if, at any point, he interacts and causes something. As for if there was no God then the argument wouldnt need to be made, i wouldnt think [/ QUOTE ] I dont see how this follows - assuming there is no God and I am going through life, making free choices and a tree falls on me killing me...has the tree curtailed my free will in some way? Only in the sense that it limits the period of time in which I can exercise it but this is true of everything I do - I cant breathe after that either but it doesnt mean breathing doesnt exist. [/ QUOTE ] no no..i dont think im trying to get across what im saying...if there is no God, we obviously have free will. (lets assume noahs ark is a true story, or 10 commandments or some other piece in the Bible where God kills, but for this example the ark.) If there is no God: 1. A flood happens, you die.. sorry you are SoL thats just survival of the fittest If there is a God that doesnt intervene with lives: 2. A flood happens, you die.. same as number 1.. survival of the fittest still applies because God didnt control your death If there is a God (who has killed people as in the Bible): 3. A flood happens WHICH HE CAUSED, you... you do not have free will. There is no survival of the fittest there because he intervened and purposely did it |
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