Stars 150 Hand - HCPB

[Fireball_AA]

If you call the flop, the pot is 21050 and you will have 20,541. It will also be very hard to lay down later, therefore I fold or push and in this case I push.

Why do you call preflop? I want to understand your thinking? Unless you hit an Ace, you won't know where you really stand and get to play a big pot against another big stack.

I am not sure raising preflop is better...

[JSchnett]

what kind of a player was he?

on average i shove pf or shove the flop

[mlagoo]

Doesn't shoving the flop allow villian to play perfectly?

I mean maybe he calls us with 87 every now and again.

Is it because this board has the potential for a fair amount of draws? I tend to not worry about them as much when HU, but maybe that's a mistake?

[Fireball_AA]

What is he has KQ? or any 2 overs? He is not likely to put any more money in the pot unless he improves to a better hand. If you just call on the flop you are giving him a free card (you don't make him pay an additionnal price). The pot = your stack if you call, therefore it is a huge pot and you don't need to extract more money.

You WOULD want him to stay in and put more bet when you have deeper stack and vilain is likely to bet again on the turn.

I tried to make it clear...

[NinjaMan]

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What is he has KQ? or any 2 overs? Is not likely not to put any more money in the pot unless he hits, therefore by just calling the flop you are giving him a free card. The pot = your stack if you call, therefore it is a huge pot and you don't want to try to extract more money.

You want him to stay in and put more bet when you have deeper stack and vilain is likely to bet again on the turn.

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I have no idea what the hell you are saying. It seems you've contradicted yourself, but I can't even really tell.

I call the flop and push any turn.

[Fireball_AA]

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I call the flop and push any turn.

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Can you explain why you would do that? What do you accomplish?

[NinjaMan]

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I call the flop and push any turn.

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Can you explain why you would do that? What do you accomplish?

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Can you first please explain what the hell you were saying in the post I quoted? It made no sense, you contradicted yourself.

Also, my turn push is HIGHLY dependant on his actions, because he acts first. Villian's range is pretty much any 2 from the SB, and he could have junk on this continuation bet.

[Dhani]

I don't like that . We want to find out is he has a legitimate hand or not. If he pushes all in against our flop re raise, then we have a decision earlier rather than possibly wasting chips.

[Chief911]

Ian (And everyone),

I think you best put after I went through and postmortem'd the hand. It was such an awkward stack hand. I mean, with 10xBB, its pretty good time to push. But with that many BB, pushing seems like a pretty bad play. And as you and MLG said, it allows him to play perfect.

Regardless of results, I really think folding preflop is best. I had a great image, so stealing had not been problematic. Instead I ended up playing a big pot with A7.

Thank you again for all who put real thought into their replies. There will be another HCPB Saturday night. Thanks again.

Nick

p.s. For those of you wanting results, think of the LEAST optimal way to play the hand, and that's the line I took. Call flop bet, check behind on the turn, call river bet. I suck.

Nick