Dodging bullets?

[Shalara]

Heh, this was so interesting to me that I put aside my normal "answer-firstness" and read the whole thread. Terribly naughty of me. So sorry. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] With that taint in mind...

I wouldn't cap the flop. I got the raise, nice. I'd raise there too. Don't get the cap. I understand how that can happen multi though. I was glad to see you put the reason there, as that really baffled me.

If I were BB, likely I'd play AK the same way. Shoot, did this nearly exactly the same way just the other day. Led out the flop, 3 bet when raised. The other two just called my turn c/r, and I ended up in a 3-way split with the other two AK. What were the odds? Neither had the decency to fold, either. Sheesh.

Anyway, while I was reading the initial post, I wondered where your certainty of it being AA or AQ came from. I 3-bet the turn. If he caps it, I'm just plain calling the river. If he doesn't cap, I'm betting the river if he checks, and calling if he bets.

[bozlax]

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I wouldn't cap the flop. I got the raise, nice. I'd raise there too. Don't get the cap. I understand how that can happen multi though. I was glad to see you put the reason there, as that really baffled me.

If I were BB, likely I'd play AK the same way. Shoot, did this nearly exactly the same way just the other day. Led out the flop, 3 bet when raised. The other two just called my turn c/r, and I ended up in a 3-way split with the other two AK. What were the odds? Neither had the decency to fold, either. Sheesh.

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I think you've got this backwards. You want to be more aggressive when there's an extra opponent putting likely-dead money in (the flop, in this case), but once it's HU and you don't have a strong enough read to "know" that the Villan would be playing hard with the weaker of his possible hands you should be more inclined to call down.

[Shalara]

I think I am seeing your point. I don't have a solid read on either of these guys, as I haven't watched how they play. It looks to me like you're saying that the third guy makes this a value bet because the times you win he pads the pot, making up for the times you lose. Without the third guy, you suspect you will lose this enough that you don't want to put in extra bets. And if you knew this player better you might play differently. Am I understanding this correctly?

As for this one:

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Led out the flop, 3 bet when raised. The other two just called my turn c/r, and I ended up in a 3-way split with the other two AK.


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I had stellar reads on these guys. In that hand, board was a K, not an ace, but we all had TPTK. I had put one of the guys on precisely AK, the other on a big K. I was trying to fold AK so I didn't have to split it. It was a scary turn too, but I knew neither of them had the goods, whereas they obviously had no idea where I was.

First guy: pf would only raise AA-TT, AK, AQ, AJ, or KQ. Even though he was first in. Another by-the-book person, sort of. Would have capped flop with anything better than TPTK, would just call with something like KQ if I'd led the flp after 3-betting pf, and would have folded an underpair, so it was easy to put him on AK.

Second guy would raise with an overpair, just call with a pair, and fold an under on the flop. Would not 3-bet pf, only call, without something like AA, maybe KK. Not sure about the KK actually, but I've accounted for all the Ks on the flop, so it's a moot point. Seeing as he called the first pf raise and I'm the one who 3-bet, I could put him on big pp or big faces, but no AA, prolly not KK. Like the first, though a little more cautious. Putting him on a K was easy 'cause the board was otherwise blank and he would have folded an under.

One did pause for a gazillion years on the river, the slightly more aggressive one--I think I nearly folded him, which was my intention. I didn't want to split it. And I knew the other guy would call even with KQ or KJ, so I'd get paid off. I single table, and I tend to get really good reads, except when I'm posting here while I should be watching my table. Like now [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[bozlax]

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I think I am seeing your point. I don't have a solid read on either of these guys, as I haven't watched how they play. It looks to me like you're saying that the third guy makes this a value bet because the times you win he pads the pot, making up for the times you lose. Without the third guy, you suspect you will lose this enough that you don't want to put in extra bets. And if you knew this player better you might play differently. Am I understanding this correctly?

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Right-o.