Comment on Greenstein Rating

[berya]

"If it hasn't shipped yet, cancel your order and order it again. That's what I did, and it worked."

Yeah did this yesterday. Originally preordered on May 10th for $25. Cancelled it yesterday and ordered it again for $20. Hope they ship it this time. Really looking forward to reading it.

[JasonP530]

barry-

I enjoyed your book, and it was useful to me in preparing my mind to play well. In addition, i hope it will help me make better decisions about game selection.

You know that there is VERY minimal correlation between reading your book and the next winning session. I think it helps long term, but to those people and to Ted Forrest on the back of the book, give me a break, that is just self grandeurization.

Jason

[barryg1]

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barry-

I enjoyed your book, and it was useful to me in preparing my mind to play well. In addition, i hope it will help me make better decisions about game selection.

You know that there is VERY minimal correlation between reading your book and the next winning session. I think it helps long term, but to those people and to Ted Forrest on the back of the book, give me a break, that is just self grandeurization.

Jason

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Jason,

If you read the quotes on some of the other books, they were often written by the ghost writer of the book and then signed off by those who supposedly said it. I decided to use actual quotes from these players, even if it sounded hokey. Ask Ted (or any of the others) if he said it, next time you see him at a tournament. I realize it's goofy, but Ted uses my book as a talisman, he's been so lucky with it. I don't endorse my book in that fashion, but I have gotten several e-mails a day from people who claim I got them to focus on the correct things.

I realize my book won't be as useful as the guides on how to play certain hands, for people who play mainly on the Internet. But for people who play in person, the information in my book is important.

Barry

[binions]

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barry-

I enjoyed your book, and it was useful to me in preparing my mind to play well. In addition, i hope it will help me make better decisions about game selection.

You know that there is VERY minimal correlation between reading your book and the next winning session. I think it helps long term, but to those people and to Ted Forrest on the back of the book, give me a break, that is just self grandeurization.

Jason

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Jason,

If you read the quotes on some of the other books, they were often written by the ghost writer of the book and then signed off by those who supposedly said it. I decided to use actual quotes from these players, even if it sounded hokey. Ask Ted (or any of the others) if he said it, next time you see him at a tournament. I realize it's goofy, but Ted uses my book as a talisman, he's been so lucky with it. I don't endorse my book in that fashion, but I have gotten several e-mails a day from people who claim I got them to focus on the correct things.

I realize my book won't be as useful as the guides on how to play certain hands, for people who play mainly on the Internet. But for people who play in person, the information in my book is important.

Barry

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All I know is that I read it yesterday, and won the Stars rebuy last night.

Call it what you will. Thanks again, Barry.

[bobdibble]

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I realize my book won't be as useful as the guides on how to play certain hands, for people who play mainly on the Internet. But for people who play in person, the information in my book is important.

Barry

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Grigsa posted this awhile ago and no one has responded yet... I'll repost it here.

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I'm still baffled by claims like this. Can you point out a specific line/section that has enabled you to "take it to the next level"? Surely you didn't need to learn that you're about 2:1 to make your straight/flush by the river if you flop an OESD or 4-flush. Or that lending money to fellow gamblers can be risky. Or that being rude to the fish is counterproductive.

Grigsa

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Barry, while I enjoyed your book, like Grigsa, I am not sure what the "take it to the next level" material is. Anyone who states that they can't spot this material seems to be dismissed as someone who would have just wanted a starting hand chart or tips on how to play a certain hand. Personally, I find this somewhat insulting. It feels like there is a case of the Emperor's New Clothes going on here.

Can someone point out a few specific examples of such material that hasn't been covered before in other poker psychology books?

p.s. Depsite not seeing the "next level" material, I did very much enjoy the book as a commentary on gambling and its impact on family and society. I also like the pictures and would purchse a hard back version if one were available.

[Jimmy James]

I noticed something in the book that really has me wondering. On page 33, Barry quotes Shakespeare, but I think it is a mis-quote (not 100% sure, as I didn't research it).

Here's the quote:

All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players.

Is it just me, or does that not sound right. Shouldn't it be, "and all the men and women are merely players." Seems like are was left out??

Yes, these kinds of things eat at me...I need to go look it up! Otherwise, I liked the book; read it all in one sitting.

[dragon14]

There's a chance depending on your age that you may be thinking of the Rush song "Limelight". The lyrics in the second verse read

"All the world's indeed a stage
And we are merely players:
Performers and portrayers"

That's what popped into my mind when I read the quote and I realized that Rush was paraphrasing Shakespeare in the song.

[MicroBob]

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Anyone who states that they can't spot this material seems to be dismissed as someone who would have just wanted a starting hand chart or tips on how to play a certain hand. Personally, I find this somewhat insulting.

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Depsite not seeing the "next level" material, I did very much enjoy the book as a commentary on gambling and its impact on family and society. I also like the pictures and would purchse a hard back version if one were available.


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I agree completely with these ideas.
I also agreed with an earlier post that it seems to address different audiences at the same time (beginners and high-level experts).

I don't think Barry needs to point-out specifically what aspects are the 'take it to the next level' parts.
I think we're talking about the ideas he has about other players and their motivations for gambling..etc etc.
But I too would be interested in reading other readers' ideas of what parts of the book helped them the most.


Again, I found MUCH of the book to be pretty interesting (when it wasn't too 'fluffish' imo) and I really was digging the hand-examples.
But I'm more specifically interested in other readers' thoughts on this 'take it to the next level' aspect and what parts/ideas were helping them do this the most.

[Jimmy James]

I "googled" the phrase, and it's correct of course.

[bobdibble]

Well, I am interested in *someone* would point out the previously unpublished "next level" ideas without falling back on the argument of, "You are an unsophisticated internet player that is looking for basic strategy...that is why you don't see the Emperor's clothes."

Many people have made such statements. One of them should be able to provide an example of a "next level" idea.