The lack of class.

[JCCARL]

In general, you are right on the money. This is not just a poker phenomenon, but yeah one bad beat on the river and the insults start flying, live or online. There really is no need for it.
Regards,
Carl

[five4suited]

The answer is definitely yes. Antiquated notions of civlity and "proper" discourse are one thing, but it's a long way from there to simply being a prick.

Too many time outs, not enough spankings by parents and beatings by peers.

It is usually those most in need of the above who advocate the notion that one can say anything to anyone at anytime without any repercussions.

[nhsir]

Some of these responses make me laugh. Being rude is revolutionary? And someone who doesn't approve of rude behavior is wrong for trying to force his cultural views on other people? Most of the time when I hear responses like this, I think someone is just trying to justify acting like a jerk. A little common sense will tell you that certain types of behavior aren't acceptable regardless of the circumstances.

[AlanBostick]

The discussion of the alleged lack of class among today's poker players reminds me of a conversation with Bonnie Damiano I had at the 2004 WSOP:

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A second $50-$100 stud/8 table had just been started, and it had a seat waiting for me. Bonnie Damiano was at the table, wearing a ClassicPoker.com blazer. She was due to be interviewed by a crew from CBS News imminently, about online poker. "I'm going to tell them what's different about Classic Poker," she told us.


"What is different about Classic Poker?" I said.


"It's classier! The software is classier, the graphics look great, and players are going to be well-dressed."


"Does that mean," I asked, "that we won't be able to play online in our underwear?"

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[advilandy]

I agree that things are getting worse in terms of conversation and general etiquette, but it isn't all that surprising to me, and I think the world would be an unfamiliar place indeed without e-thugs. You don't think you'd miss them, but you would.

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Ummm....the status quo is conservative. Young blood is revolutionary. Its pretty standard. Those who are in a position to actually observe change over time are those most inclined to disparage said change.

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I don't agree. Much of the profanity is coming from a conservative group of people. My evidence is that the conservative side of things usually posesses those two special traits we call insecurity and arrogance. I'm not talking strictly politically, either. Incumbents, given the opportunity, will completely contradict their own "values" much of the time to experience some sort of thrill...sort of why lots of people play poker, men that explicitly mention they would "never hit a woman" tend to beat their wives, etc.

Maybe this doesn't hold any water, but I've noticed at in least online poker rooms these archetypes love surfacing often. Also, you'd better be careful if the right combination of these people get together in a casino where the alcohol's free and the shirts are hawaiian...table talk and excessive chip riffling CAN induce migranes.

[vhawk01]

I agree, the conservatives are insecure, thats why they are conservative. Things are the way you like, so you want to conserve them, and therefore resist change.

You make it sound like there is some objective standard of social conduct. I wear a hat when I play, even indoors. How boorish.

[thekiller]

Who's insulting who here?

[NapoleonDolemite]

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blame society.

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[advilandy]

There has to be at least SOME standard of social conduct one might consider objective...there are just some rules that a society needs to survive. Now whether being rude has anything to do with these rules is another aspect of things I have no proof for.

As for the hat thing, doesn't your head get hot in those?

[Manque]

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I agree, the conservatives are insecure, thats why they are conservative. Things are the way you like, so you want to conserve them, and therefore resist change.

You make it sound like there is some objective standard of social conduct. I wear a hat when I play, even indoors. How boorish.

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So if I object to a toxic waste dump being proposed next to my house I'm being insecure? There's no other explanation of why I may not want that change?