Steroid issue from a "personal" viewpoint

[Banks2334]

Jihad,
Big difference in transforming your body as a sophmore and as a 35 year old athlete. You lost fat, built muscle and got ripped. Barry added 30 lbs of muscle.

[Banks2334]

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Good point, Jihad. I feel the same way, but good luck trying to convince those who already made up their minds and just ignore the facts to suit their needs.



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[BeerMoney]

OK, so jihad, after doing all of that work for, now imagine putting on another 30 pounds of muscle. You can't right? But it might be possible with steroids.

[RedBean]

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It is not possible to gain 30 lbs of muscle in a 4-month off-season without "help". No one's body synthesizes protein--> muscle that quickly naturally. This is science, not anecdotal evidence.

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The 30lbs number is anecdotal, however. Which season are you proposing Bonds gained 30lbs in 4 months? By all acounts his "growth" was gradual over the course of 2-3 years.

[Jihad]

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OK, so jihad, after doing all of that work for, now imagine putting on another 30 pounds of muscle. You can't right? But it might be possible with steroids.

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Actually, I'm 235 now, and probably only 10 of that is fat, so yes, I can imagine it. It's completely possible, even without help. I'm not saying he didn't, I'm just saying that the point that a lot of people have been making, that these kinds of gains are impossible, are flat out incorrect.

[Jihad]

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Jihad,
Big difference in transforming your body as a sophmore and as a 35 year old athlete. You lost fat, built muscle and got ripped. Barry added 30 lbs of muscle.

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There was a more gradual addition than that. Just look at his pictures, he's been gaining at least a little weight since about '93.

[RedBean]

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I'm not saying he didn't, I'm just saying that the point that a lot of people have been making, that these kinds of gains are impossible, are flat out incorrect

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As a corollary to that point, alot of folks also point out that his HR production increased at ages 35-39 from his production at 30-34 years old, and point to his career high being posted after age 35, but there are other examples of clean players who had similar advanced-age power surges, so it doesn't really "prove" anything about whether or not he juiced.

Obviously, that is not to say he is clean or not, but more like your original point, it doesn't show proof alone that he juiced as accomplishments similar to these have been done before by clean players.

It merely shows it CAN be done without steroids, thus the argument that it occured should not be used as proof of steroid use.

[Banks2334]

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As a corollary to that point, alot of folks also point out that his HR production increased at ages 35-39 from his production at 30-34 years old, and point to his career high being posted after age 35, but there are other examples of clean players who had similar advanced-age power surges, so it doesn't really "prove" anything about whether or not he juiced.



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This is the funniest thing I've read yet.

[RedBean]

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This is the funniest thing I've read yet.

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What's so funny about it? I'm not saying it shows Bonds as clean, not even close, I am ONLY saying that for a hitter to have a surge in power after age 35 without the use of steroids is definately plausible and has happened before.

[tolbiny]

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This is the funniest thing I've read yet.

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What's so funny about it? I'm not saying it shows Bonds as clean, not even close, I am ONLY saying that for a hitter to have a surge in power after age 35 without the use of steroids is definately plausible and has happened before.

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would you mind naming a few examples so we know who your talking about?