never bluff a fish?

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Crazy.

1.5 BB

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Agreed. You need to fold both these guys 67% of the time, meaning each needs to fold on average sqrt(0.67) = a whopping 82% of the time to break even. Even if their fold % was above this you couldn't really make more than a fraction of a BB. In addition, these sort of flops aren't really conducive to people folding.

[Guruman]

fair enough, and I agree with the rationale. So, how big of a pot do you need to start bluffing with?

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fair enough, and I agree with the rationale. So, how big of a pot do you need to start bluffing with?

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Well, it's sort of a catch-22 situation IMO, since if the pot were bigger there would have been some previous action that usually greatly increases the chance that someone's planning on going to showdown.

I guess as an academic exercise, if some pro-gambling philanthropist were to be walking by and threw some cash in the pot right when the river card was flipped, I'd be willing to try this bet with about 4.5BB in the pot. That means they each need to fold a little under half the time; I think the average player would probably fold a little more than this, but with the read on CO I need a little bit bigger pot.

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I guess as an academic exercise, if some pro-gambling philanthropist were to be walking by and threw some cash in the pot right when the river card was flipped,

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awsome

[NSchandler]

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You need to fold both these guys 67% of the time, meaning each needs to fold on average sqrt(0.67) = a whopping 82% of the time to break even.

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You mean 40% of the time, right? Each needs to fold 63.25% of the time.

[milesdyson]

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You need to fold both these guys 67% of the time, meaning each needs to fold on average sqrt(0.67) = a whopping 82% of the time to break even.

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You mean 40% of the time, right? Each needs to fold 63.25% of the time.

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yeah this is right

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edit: nm, figured it out