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Old 10-24-2007, 02:03 AM
riverspecialist riverspecialist is offline
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Default Re: hit two pair turn check raise super DEEP

I often get that image and play the hand the same way and get paid by AQ or something stupid as well as nailed by the occasional set of aces. if your right about your image then well played. but like another poster said, people tend to over estimate this effect.

Online i dont get that image so my standard line would look like

bet/call the flop. check/call the turn (after being raised on the flop)

river play is complicated and depends on how the villian plays. If he likes to fold, throw some pot sized bluffs on a lot of the rivers that seemed to make straights, especially if the river is a offsuit seven.

if u fill up, check/call if AA is a reasonable part of his range or bet/fold if its only a small part.

make a big bet if a spade falls.

otherwise check and make a tough choice.

players try to hard to "avoid tough spots" as if thats the goal. They should be "avoid tough spots...if its +EV" which is implied, but ignored.

Online this is ok because our capacity is better spent playing more tables than fussing about marginal lines.

Live I ALWAYS try to take lines with the highest EV even if i know it can put me in a tough spot later. If you give up EV to make decisions easier later then you need to get better at making these decisions. If you dont agree with this then tell me why "short stacking" is any different.

Live players have longer(time wise) downswings because they play so few hands an hour that i think they often scarifice too much EV to try escape variance. The irony is that because their games are so soft, these plays have more value than they do online.
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