Discussing athiesm today, how do I address this?

[Nichomacheo]

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I don't see how you can say this. Doesn't mathematics govern every interaction in the universe?

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It would be more correct to say that you put those interaction into a mathematical model by abstraction and then treating them in some manner that gives a usable output.

It isn't too different from putting them into language and talking about them, except mathematics is more 'solid' and based on much, much purer logic. Mathematics per se doesn't exist beyond our idea of numbers as a measure of things we see/observe/theorize.

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Can you explain the first paragraph here?

The second part is along the lines of what he was saying. I suppose logic is more fundamental than mathematics. How would you define mathematics?