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"The limit holdem section is so awwwwful". for play poker like the pros.
but is it? from the "theory point of view",yes this book isnt very "on the money". but look at the title.....u really think a pro would play theoritically vs players who are weaker then him? i seriously think not,i think hellmuth view point on this(i might be wrong here but it makes sense),is when your a pro,u probably play loose agressive vs worst players to "maximise" your profits,hence the section of the animals(wich i find great..)related to the kind of play he represent and makes u recognise when u are probably beat and when your not... i made a post in other limit section about poker essay 1 from malmuth: ""On the other hand ,if your goal is to become great,playing loose will more likely get you there,assuming you dont go broke in the attempt." now lets think,u want to play like the pros,well first play looose agressif, and to be succesfull to play like this,u need to developpe good read(hence animal section of is book). yes,vs good players it wont work but,as written in the book,when u face a lion or a mouse,he clearly state to slow down and even not playing vs those w/o a good hands when its raise preflop..... im not saying its the way to play,im just saying pros will play a lot looser like hellmuth prescribe in is book : -do moves vs weak tight(wich means they know how to play poker by readings good books but still lacking some skills...) -or totally amateurs or calling stations(meaning vs elephant,value bet like hell like he wrote....). Dont get me wrong,and malmuth sayed it too....its not the correct way to play....but its the correct way to learn a lot to become great and its the correct way to do a lot more money vs the right kind of players(weak tight,calling station,etc...) wich u will find a lot more of those compared to the number of good players sitting at your table. hellmuth,again,was very specific on this,learning to recognize those dangerous players and not entering with them in a pot if u dont have a great hand... yup,im pretty sure world class players(hence they are pros..),would play a lot looser vs worst players then what the great books are sayng...they wouldnt play like the books but probably loose agressif,like hellmuth is explaining..... i might be wrong or not very comprehensif(im not very good in english sorry ,but taking in the right context,i seriuously think hellmuth book isnt that bad.....toughts? ps: "assuming you dont go broke in the attempt." malmuth yes,hellmuth doesnt talk about position and good hands wich wouldnt be good in early position (22,33,etc..)and all those aspect. But like any pro,i think they wouldnt mind playing like this since they would think they would outplayed u anyway in a lot of pot,UTG or on the button ,wouldnt matter much for them... unless your a great player as well and then ,recognizing this,he wouldnt play loose agressif vs u then. (as hellmuth was saying anyway in is book for the mouse or the lion(unless your an eagle ) point of view...).toughts? PPLP would benefit more a player with good fundamentals (since he would undertsand when hellmuth play is wrong)then a total amateur/beginner OR playing in mid+/stakes limit games... |
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