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Old 09-30-2007, 01:12 PM
AshleyC AshleyC is offline
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Default Always being called down - advice on opening up game

I have been misisng flops alot the last few days and have been spewing money. I am continualy being called down light and had my c-bets c/raised, so I have really, really had to nail down and play like an uber-nit, like 14/12 today.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($116.65)
Hero ($100.50)
BB ($99.30)
UTG ($123.70)
MP ($145.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $9.

Flop: ($26) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $15</font>, Button calls $15.

Turn: ($56) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($56) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, Button calls $20.

Final Pot: $96

Button has 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (one pair, eights).
Hero has K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins $96.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero ($99.50)
SB ($229.55)
BB ($124.30)
UTG ($19.50)
MP ($94.30)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4.5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls $3.50.

Flop: ($10.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7.5</font>, MP calls $7.50.

Turn: ($25.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, Hero checks.

River: ($25.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $25.50

Results
Hero has 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, aces and sixes).
MP has 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, aces and nines).
Outcome: MP wins $25.50.

And it has seemed that nearly every hand that I have raised and c-bet has taken this pattern:

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero ($114.50)
CO ($176.55)
Button ($105.80)
SB ($73)
BB ($30)
UTG ($92.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $3.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($8.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $22</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $37.50

Results:
No showdown. Button wins $37.50.





I'm finding it unprofitable to play any looser / more aggressive than I currently am. Even playing as I am, as you can see I seem to be getting 3 bet light from the blinds when I raise from Co/button enough so that raising any more would be -EV. Likewise, on flops I am called / floated / C/R enough so that I believe it would be -EV to open up any more. Playing like this is becomming a bit frustrating, as it is very card dependant, and I rely on running 'good' and hitting flops.

Is this just a variance issue, that villans have been hitting flops / running well against me? From some of the stats that I've read about, with people playing 24/22 etc I cannot really fathom how they do so, and how they overcome being played back at, and overcomming resistance.

Do you second barrell more?

Do you 4 bet bluff pre-flop, with what frequency / range?
I have done this once with 7s8s against a 55bb stack and he called with AJ.

Advice on this would be much appreciated.
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