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Old 08-28-2007, 01:57 PM
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Default Re: 8 limpers to the flop - FW 20/40

This hand confuses me.

On the flop, I'd check and see how the action develops. If there's a bet and some callers, or a bet and a raise, then I'd just throw away my hand away (high chance of being way behind, RIO, etc...). If it checks to a LP player who bets, then we can check-raise and try to protect our hand.

As played, you are pretty much stuck calling both raises on the flop because now you are getting odds to draw to a 7, although I might still fold to the raise if you don't have the 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in your hand (meaning you could be drawing to two outs against a better K and a flush draw).

I don't understand your turn play at all. You get your dream card and get action from aggro players ("Both of these players are capable of putting in a lot of money with less of a hand than most and try to take down pots through betting rather than having the winning hand.") but then you decide that you are behind. If you really think you are behind, this is an easy fold. In the best case you've got 4 outs to boat up and you are only getting 6.5:1 (if I'm counting correctly) - even if you know that passive is going to call, you still aren't getting the 11:1 that you need. But that's the best case - if someone's got a set of 8s or K8 then you are only drawing to 2 outs (and you won't be sure which 2 you need).

Given your read, though, I'd just go ahead and 3-bet the turn. Rob didn't cap the flop so I don't think a set of 8s is likely. Tatoo's check-3-bet could easily be him screwing around with a flush draw or lower 2 pair (if he's loose enough to come in with 84s or K8s). You should charge the flush draws the max and get your money in.
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