WOW, PETA people really are crazy!

[Peter666]

<font color="blue">"Do you honestly think the howling, yelping, and crying an animal does after receiving an injury is not PROOF that the animal is in pain?!! Are you using your brain at all in this conversation? Seriously, this is about as heated as I've ever gotten towards asinine statements on this forum and there have been plenty of them." </font>

Pain yes, suffering no. I've already stated that the degrees of suffering is a subjective experience, only known through human testimony. A hungry baby screaming for milk can sound much louder than an adult torture victim, yet I doubt they are feeling the same amount of suffering. The baby may not be suffering at all to be screaming. Why can't you appeal to science in this matter?

<font color="blue">You never provide your rationale for why it's a HUGE difference? </font>

It's obvious. I know what I am suffering, I don't know what others are suffering.

<font color="blue">"The basis for my moral philosophy is that all animals are living beings and share this planet. Nature can be cruel and animals must kill one another out of necessity. This includes humans. But only an ignoramous takes the philosophical stance "I torture and kill because I don't care about another animal's suffering!" </font>

Ooh, ignoramuses. So what? What are the consequences of your moral philosophy? You have not provided a reason to act as you say I should. I can argue that my pleasure becomes my necessity because without fulfilling it I suffer. If I derive pleasure from stepping on FIDO's tail, why shouldn't I?