WA/WB with second pair good kicker?

[Nick D]

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Is it just me who is stupid but I can't see more than 5 outs on that flop. Is it our backdoor straight that makes it 6.5 outs, to go. If it's that many then it's a raise.

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That is probably the case. BD draws are typically valued at 1.5 outs.

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Mustn't we discount based on the fact that we can't get the upper end of the BDSD? It is a gapless BDSD, which would normally yield 1.5 outs on the flop, but that is normally for a TJQ where we could get either the KA or 89 to complete, am I right?

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I think since villain didn't raise preflop we are ahead here a lot.

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Bona, he has a 0 PFR... OP - how many hands are these stats compiled from? Either way, while I don't disagree that we could be ahead in the hand, his PF play cannot tell us much about his hand.

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I might raise the flop, if he calls, ck through the turn to get to SD and you can fold to a bet on the river I think, unless you improve.

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Ultimately, I agree with this. You could call down as well if you've seen a few of his holdings (he'll bet down w/ MPWK), but this way you save 1.5BB and folding is a viable option considering the pot isn't huge or anything.