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Old 06-11-2007, 08:55 PM
Guruman Guruman is offline
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Default LIMCASH looking for a strat vs a weird style

i've run into a few players lately who have been giving up a lot pf and on the flop, but have me spinning on the expensive streets.

general traits:

out of position-
relatively tight and straightforward.
folds some hands pf to raises.
folds to cont bets enough to make cont betting 100% acceptable.
checkraises pairs and big draws.
loves to screwplay/sexy mid pair and better.
shows down lots.

that much i don't have issues with.

in position:

limps probly 90% otb with a wide range of garbage and primo hands.
tends to raise flop if donked, checkthrough otherwise - again with a wide range of trash and primo in both circumstances.
very aggro on turn. if we checkthrough the flop he'll raise a wide range of turn donks. almost never calls, folds only occasionally. Is capable of checking through again with a wide range of made and trash hands.
very aggro on river and will raise a wide range of made hands and bluffs.



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I encountered two seperate players on two diff sites playing in this manner, and it was beating me pretty handily.

In the heat of it I tried my best to identify and attack the flaws in this strat, but its difficult to do when running badly while the villain is on a heater. With that said, here's my rough analysis of what this strategy does and how to attack it:

with hero in position:

A standard pf range seems to still be right since villain is folding a lot to flop cont bets.

Once we get past the flop villain is willing to run lots of in and out of tempo checkraises. i should be more willing to showdown when in these situations, and should probably be checking through more often with the marginal stuff that i want to showdown. This gives away more free cards than i'm used to, but with the reward of sidestepping bad folds.

I should also be valuebetting and threeballing top pair or mid pp and better.

The tough part comes when i have air or a draw. typically with a good 8 or 9 out draw you'll tend to bet when checked to on the turn because to take the free card is to induce the bluff and you'll buy the pot often enough on the turn to make it worth it. In this case we're more likely to end up paying 2 bets to try to hit because we'll get checkraised by a much wider range, so it may be more correct to take the river card and run a re-bluff occasionally. This is always difficult for me to execute.

when out of position:

It seems as though villain's biggest mistake is allowing our hand to realize lots of its equity for free by giving away cards. His natural counter to this is to rebluff or valueraise lightly when we donk, thus forcing us to have a hand to start betting. This is a particularly effective strategy against me because i have a tendency to attack weakness from out of position a bit too indescriminately. I bet/folded a few times before really hating the position i kept getting put in and decided to re-adjust.

Maybe I don't have enough heart to play vs this guy out of position, but bet/threebetting pure air in an artificially small pot from oop seems like suicide. The best strat i could think of at the time was to go into superstraightforward mode and just wait for hands to start betting with. This made me too tight i think, and also made me predictable as hell. Suggestions here would be great.

overall i got pwned by winning the min in position and losing too much oop. Better countermeasures appreciated.
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